Silkie thread!

[PaintedFeathers]

Silkie Hatch Quiz of the day... Black Roo x Black hen, 9 black chicks and this little guy???

Any ideas on how, why and what color the bird would will be, offically?

I'll say it might end up as a paint

 

[masked rider]

I'll say it might end up as a paint

ok, you knew it was coming .... what is the genetics from black x black to paint? I think we have ruled out splash.. Assuming I have bb x Bb or bb x bb.

How do you produce paint?

 

[kabhyper1]

Is he blue?

Yes he is blue.

 

[Jharper]

ok, you knew it was coming ....  what is the genetics from black x black to paint?  I think we have ruled out splash..  Assuming I have bb x Bb or bb x bb.

How do you produce paint?

I can't remember how to get paint but when you cross a paint back to a black you get more paints

 

[masked rider]

I can't remember how to get paint but when you cross a paint back to a black you get more paints

LOL The mystery deepens!

 

[Jharper]

LOL  The mystery deepens!  

Yeah, haha.

 

[ChickNmamma]

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Nope, sorry. Paint may be a "New" color - but the genetics of Paint (Dominant White over Black) rule that out. For you to have Paint you HAVE to have one bird who is Paint. No Paint will ever look Black because Dominant White is just that, dominant. If its there - you have a white bird with black splashes. Your cutie looks to have a black head and a grayish body. Not a color combination found in any Paint breeding - it wipes outs the dark head too.

I did see early on in the Silkies and Showing thread somebody had a super dark Blue girl - even a Judge at a show commented the bird was mis-marked as a Blue until the owner told the Judge to take the bird outside to see it under sunlight. Then the judge saw it was a Blue. Blacks have dark down - charcoal. Blues have a lighter down - gray-ish. If any one of your birds have a gray down - it is probably Blue - and I would guess it is one of the mystery parentage hens and not the rooster because you would have had more Blue show up. That baby could be Blue as it comes in lots of different shades of Blue. Some of your other chicks may also be Blue - if its that dark I would be willing to bet its really hard to tell them from Black. That is one possibility...

Another possibility is Silver Partridge - but I didn't see Partridge markings on its face or back. Partridge hides very well under any other color and only comes out when two birds carrying Partridge are paired.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Nope, sorry. Paint may be a "New" color - but the genetics of Paint (Dominant White over Black) rule that out. For you to have Paint you HAVE to have one bird who is Paint. No Paint will ever look Black because Dominant White is just that, dominant. If its there - you have a white bird with black splashes. Your cutie looks to have a black head and a grayish body. Not a color combination found in any Paint breeding - it wipes outs the dark head too.

I did see early on in the Silkies and Showing thread somebody had a super dark Blue girl - even a Judge at a show commented the bird was mis-marked as a Blue until the owner told the Judge to take the bird outside to see it under sunlight. Then the judge saw it was a Blue. Blacks have dark down - charcoal. Blues have a lighter down - gray-ish. If any one of your birds have a gray down - it is probably Blue - and I would guess it is one of the mystery parentage hens and not the rooster because you would have had more Blue show up. That baby could be Blue as it comes in lots of different shades of Blue. Some of your other chicks may also be Blue - if its that dark I would be willing to bet its really hard to tell them from Black. That is one possibility...

Another possibility is Silver Partridge - but I didn't see Partridge markings on its face or back. Partridge hides very well under any other color and only comes out when two birds carrying Partridge are paired.
I *think* that if you have a homozygous dominant white bird (NOT recessive white), it may be completely white, but if bred to black could produce paints. Two copies cover more thoroughly than one

 

[masked rider]

Nope, sorry. Paint may be a "New" color - but the genetics of Paint (Dominant White over Black) rule that out. For you to have Paint you HAVE to have one bird who is Paint. No Paint will ever look Black because Dominant White is just that, dominant. If its there - you have a white bird with black splashes. Your cutie looks to have a black head and a grayish body. Not a color combination found in any Paint breeding - it wipes outs the dark head too.

I did see early on in the Silkies and Showing thread somebody had a super dark Blue girl - even a Judge at a show commented the bird was mis-marked as a Blue until the owner told the Judge to take the bird outside to see it under sunlight. Then the judge saw it was a Blue. Blacks have dark down - charcoal. Blues have a lighter down - gray-ish. If any one of your birds have a gray down - it is probably Blue - and I would guess it is one of the mystery parentage hens and not the rooster because you would have had more Blue show up. That baby could be Blue as it comes in lots of different shades of Blue. Some of your other chicks may also be Blue - if its that dark I would be willing to bet its really hard to tell them from Black. That is one possibility...

Another possibility is Silver Partridge - but I didn't see Partridge markings on its face or back. Partridge hides very well under any other color and only comes out when two birds carrying Partridge are paired.

That is great information, thanks ChickNmamma, the chick is only a couple of hours old in this photo, so maybe to early for partridge markings, maybe? I would like to explorer the idea though..
So if I have a bb roo x black/partridge hen (partridge hiding in the black) could you expect a silver partridge chick?

 

[ChickNmamma]

That is great information, thanks ChickNmamma, the chick is only a couple of hours old in this photo, so maybe to early for partridge markings, maybe? I would like to explorer the idea though..
So if I have a bb roo x black/partridge hen (partridge hiding in the black) could you expect a silver partridge chick?

You would have to have Partridge hiding under your boy too - its recessive and will only show up with two copies - one from each parent. Lots of Blacks are hiding Partridge, and some will even LOOK partridge-ish when born - and then turn solid black when full grown. Those birds have Partridge genetics but enough extra melenizers to completely cover it... Your baby may be Black when grown up.

On the Self-Blue (Lavender) thread there were faintly Partridge marked chicks that grew up to be solid Lavender. Those I would guess are based on the Partridge base, but the adult feathers show no signs of it. Just another example of the amazing genetics pool hiding inside our "Black" birds. My Lavender Ameraucanas did not look Partridge at all - they are based on E (Extended Black) and not eb (Asiatic Partridge).

Two copies of Dominant White will not always give a completely White bird - because there are still leakage possibilities (even White Leghorns will have a black feather every once in a while). However, two copies (homozygous) being bred over and over again will eventually wipe out most of the black spots - which is why you need to keep going back to Black to keep Paint. Also, if you have a bird that only has one copy of Dominant White you will get some Black birds from that pairing (50% chance). Since our Black is not based on Extended Black you can have all sorts of oddball colors showing up in Paint Breedings. When breeders get a solid Dominant White based on pure Black and get a pure White homozygous bird - then you might get solid White birds all the time from homozygous breedings. Not from the stewpot of genetics we use for Black Silkies though... probably why it is still a "work in progress"