If you ever get a chance GO! to Columbus for the National. IT is off the hook! We went last year, the birds showed really well, won a bunch, but the sales area was insane! A sea of birds moving in and out at the speed og light! I was telling someone about some birds behind me, we turned around and the whole pen was GONE!!!! I sold out superfast, hubby couldn't get the cages in the door, they were selling that fast. When you win there, that is a win!