They are decent for buffs, but not spectacular. Quite a bit of smut in the tails on both. Comb color is still mulberry, which is acceptable. I don't like the shape of either's combs and the pullet especially has alot of points coming off the top. They do have nice short backs and round bodies. Decent foot feathering and little hard feathering through the cushions. I don't like how leggy both are....lots of sunshine between them and the ground. I think for the initial price they have them listed for, its a fair deal though.