Silkie thread!

[peepswiththepoof]

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I love them!

 

[chikincrazee]

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Hi very nice...i have a few of your blacks running around peeping hope they turn out as nice.....3 weeks old.... hope I have a couple of pullets in the batch so I can breed then to Shamus my Premier boy..

 

[marquisella]

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I understand the lavendar part, what does it take to breed porcelain?

I believe you breed buff to lavender, then take those offspring and breed back to lavender.

Ok, thanks for the info. So then after you breed back to the lavendar, and its "considered" a porcelain, if it looks correct, do they then breed true, or do you have to keep repeating the steps from the original cross?

Thanks for your patience in providing this information.

 

[Lacey1988]

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no; at least not one that would win against competition. Most of the hatchery silkies I've seen are pretty poor quality.

oh well ha Im not looking to show them

I just want them as pets....I live out in the deep country I don't need a show chicken anyways ha....oh yea has anybody bred a silkie to a polish what do the chickens look like when their grown???

 

[Debbienmousey]

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It's called what's so special about silkies. Page ten post 93. A user posted a YouTube video on "how's it made" the tv show and claims she used wing sexing and it's worked for her on her silkies. I am going to see what happens. Hopefully mine is a girl like I think compared to the wings!

Can anyone post a link to either the thread or the You tube video. I just did a long search for both and got nowhere.
Thanks for any help.

Here is the video that was originally posted on the "What's So Special About Silkies" thread. It is kinda upsetting seeing the chicks handled like in the video though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbkkkn_PxE&feature=youtu.be

And here is a website that I found over a year ago for feather sexing. Helped me a lot, but I've never tried it on purebreds. I always thought that you could only feather sex certain cross-bred chicks. http://animalsciences.missouri.edu/reprod/ReproTech/Feathersex/sld001.htm Go through the slides and there are pictures showing cockerel vs. pullet

 

[Gordonhillfarm]

Thank you that was very interesting ~~~~ Tammy

 

[tgrlily]

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I believe you breed buff to lavender, then take those offspring and breed back to lavender.

Ok, thanks for the info. So then after you breed back to the lavendar, and its "considered" a porcelain, if it looks correct, do they then breed true, or do you have to keep repeating the steps from the original cross?

Thanks for your patience in providing this information.

From playing with the chicken calculator -- which is not a perfect science, since I don't know all the variables & such -- you cross buff to lav, then cross the split offspring to each other to create porcelain. That's the good news... the bad news is that your best odds are around 1 out of 64, depending on the type of pattern.

Breeding the offspring to lavender looks like only produces lavender. Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong!

Here's the Chicken Calculator.

 

[Teresaann24]

What do you all think of this roo? He if from my own lines...I have my fingers crossed he is a dom white. He has nice tight wings its in the upper 80's today and he is hot. He also USE to have awesome leg feathering but the rain and mud made sure to mess that up...LOL I'v been trying to breed roo's that have more of the hen look do you all think he is a move in the right direction? He hates me taking pics but he has a tiny comb you can't even tell he has one and its super dark. Also he is not dirty the only thing that is dirty and muddy is his leg feathering and feet this is his color this is why I am hoping he is a dom white because this is something that comes with a dom white I was told is the off white coloring which is what you see in most paints that are bred.

 

[ultasol]

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I understand the lavendar part, what does it take to breed porcelain?

I believe you breed buff to lavender, then take those offspring and breed back to lavender.

That is not how you get porcelain, actually. We (silkie breeders) need to be more cognizant of the terminology we use that already has definitions set forth in the standard because it makes us look bad when we show colors in the standard that in no way resemble that standard. When I say int he standard I mean the color, not that color for our breed. The way it is set up currently I have been told all birds, regardless of breed, that are of the same color (ie white, blue, black) have the COLOR judged by that same standard for color. The standard for the color porcelain indicates it requires a certain pattern, and as of now I have not seen one (a silkie) with it. I know Sonoran was working on breeding in the required spangling, but what is being called porcelains needs to be called 'Isabelles' or 'Pastel' or some such.
I showed my porcelain pullet and she was DQd... because I forgot to put Isabel and instead put porcelain, and she does not fit the porcelain standard. About as clear as mud, isn't it. I'm no good at explaining things but I will try like heck anyway.

There is also the question as to how many porcelains/isabelles/pastels actually carry dilute. I crossed two under my lavender cock and did not get a single dilute chick, I got blues and blue partridge. I know several other breeders consistently get the same color, but by breeding isabelles/pastels to other isabelles/pastels. I wonder what would happen if these birds were crossed to lavender? I think there are several different genotypes with similar, but not the same, phenotypes... which is why the color and appearance often vary in terms of degree of shading/dilution/strength of color.

It is all so fascinating. Love it!

 

[tgrlily]

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I believe you breed buff to lavender, then take those offspring and breed back to lavender.

That is not how you get porcelain, actually. We (silkie breeders) need to be more cognizant of the terminology we use that already has definitions set forth in the standard because it makes us look bad when we show colors in the standard that in no way resemble that standard. When I say int he standard I mean the color, not that color for our breed. The way it is set up currently I have been told all birds, regardless of breed, that are of the same color (ie white, blue, black) have the COLOR judged by that same standard for color. The standard for the color porcelain indicates it requires a certain pattern, and as of now I have not seen one (a silkie) with it. I know Sonoran was working on breeding in the required spangling, but what is being called porcelains needs to be called 'Isabelles' or 'Pastel' or some such.
I showed my porcelain pullet and she was DQd... because I forgot to put Isabel and instead put porcelain, and she does not fit the porcelain standard. About as clear as mud, isn't it. I'm no good at explaining things but I will try like heck anyway.

There is also the question as to how many porcelains/isabelles/pastels actually carry dilute. I crossed two under my lavender cock and did not get a single dilute chick, I got blues and blue partridge. I know several other breeders consistently get the same color, but by breeding isabelles/pastels to other isabelles/pastels. I wonder what would happen if these birds were crossed to lavender? I think there are several different genotypes with similar, but not the same, phenotypes... which is why the color and appearance often vary in terms of degree of shading/dilution/strength of color.

It is all so fascinating. Love it!

Wow! Now my head is spinning!