Silkie thread!

[SilverSilkie]

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Yes I was speaking of working on the brassy shade in the paints.....i have the recessive white figured out but i have a dominant white for paints....i was wondering if i bred her to a silver based black if that would be a better choice of black....?????

I'll be giving that a try in the next month or so. I've got a really leaky silver/black male from paint. Actually Sonoran came up with that idea.

Yes, also here in Europe breeders of paint (Platenbont) have the same problem of that brassy shade mainly on their rooster. Also here was adviced to breed on Black with silver necks. I myself not breed paints so I have no personal experience with them but I think the origine of that brassy shade could be other than gold. You have to know the paints where created by an outcross of a White Livorno (leghorn). Leghorn's normally have the groundcolor "e+/e+" which contain "salmon red" (most Silkies have groundcolor "eb/eb" which contain NO salmon red). Maybe this could be the source of the problem !

 

[SilverSilkie]

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I love this color. I have a similiar colored pullet but slightly darker. I do not have a roo of a similiar color. What color roo would you breed to her? She is about 4 months old in this picture.

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/adorson/11-19-11/SAM_0841.jpg

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/adorson/11-19-11/SAM_0842.jpg

Yes this "testa nera" is an eyecatcher certainly on light colored Silver Partridges. It suddenly pupped up in my breeds and since than I select on that. It should be caused by a not yet registered recessive black intensifier gene which express in a rather strange way, the fact is it make only the head and beard intens black (not the charcoal gene "cha/cha" as in Lakenvelder which intensifie also the black-pigment in the necks). Maybe Sonoran know more about this phenomenon ?

I had it first in a female Silver Partridge which I crossed with a black rooster leaking Silver in the neck (he could haven been a Birchen is hard to tell in Silkies). Now I have it in my lavender Silver Partridges, my Blue Silver Partridges and in my Silver Quails.

 

[NewToFarming]

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I love this color. I have a similiar colored pullet but slightly darker. I do not have a roo of a similiar color. What color roo would you breed to her? She is about 4 months old in this picture.

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/adorson/11-19-11/SAM_0841.jpg

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/adorson/11-19-11/SAM_0842.jpg

Yes this "testa nera" is an eyecatcher certainly on light colored Silver Partridges. It suddenly pupped up in my breeds and since than I select on that. It should be caused by a not yet registered recessive black intensifier gene which express in a rather strange way, the fact is it make only the head and beard intens black (not the charcoal gene "cha/cha" as in Lakenvelder which intensifie also the black-pigment in the necks). Maybe Sonoran know more about this phenomenon ?

I had it first in a female Silver Partridge which I crossed with a black rooster leaking Silver in the neck (he could haven been a Birchen is hard to tell in Silkies). Now I have it in my lavender Silver Partridges, my Blue Silver Partridges and in my Silver Quails.

Thank you! I have 3 black roo's with the silver leakage but I think I will use the younger boy for her. He has better type but slightly less leakage than the older boys.

 

[SilverSilkie]

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Yes this "testa nera" is an eyecatcher certainly on light colored Silver Partridges. It suddenly pupped up in my breeds and since than I select on that. It should be caused by a not yet registered recessive black intensifier gene which express in a rather strange way, the fact is it make only the head and beard intens black (not the charcoal gene "cha/cha" as in Lakenvelder which intensifie also the black-pigment in the necks). Maybe Sonoran know more about this phenomenon ?

I had it first in a female Silver Partridge which I crossed with a black rooster leaking Silver in the neck (he could haven been a Birchen is hard to tell in Silkies). Now I have it in my lavender Silver Partridges, my Blue Silver Partridges and in my Silver Quails.

Thank you! I have 3 black roo's with the silver leakage but I think I will use the younger boy for her. He has better type but slightly less leakage than the older boys.

You are welcome. Maybe it will be a start for a new passionated breeding line ;-)

 

[ScaredOfShadows]

the new girls

 

[SilverSilkie]

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Thirsty ones I like the one in the back, the "testa nera".

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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I love this color. I have a similiar colored pullet but slightly darker. I do not have a roo of a similiar color. What color roo would you breed to her? She is about 4 months old in this picture.

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/adorson/11-19-11/SAM_0841.jpg

http://i386.photobucket.com/albums/oo306/adorson/11-19-11/SAM_0842.jpg

Yes this "testa nera" is an eyecatcher certainly on light colored Silver Partridges. It suddenly pupped up in my breeds and since than I select on that. It should be caused by a not yet registered recessive black intensifier gene which express in a rather strange way, the fact is it make only the head and beard intens black (not the charcoal gene "cha/cha" as in Lakenvelder which intensifie also the black-pigment in the necks). Maybe Sonoran know more about this phenomenon ?

I had it first in a female Silver Partridge which I crossed with a black rooster leaking Silver in the neck (he could haven been a Birchen is hard to tell in Silkies). Now I have it in my lavender Silver Partridges, my Blue Silver Partridges and in my Silver Quails.

I have not really studied it, but thought it was likely cha/cha. It may be the interaction of a combination of genes? Or maybe lakenvelder is cha/cha plus other genes that also darken hackles? Or...?

 

[SilverSilkie]

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Yes this "testa nera" is an eyecatcher certainly on light colored Silver Partridges. It suddenly pupped up in my breeds and since than I select on that. It should be caused by a not yet registered recessive black intensifier gene which express in a rather strange way, the fact is it make only the head and beard intens black (not the charcoal gene "cha/cha" as in Lakenvelder which intensifie also the black-pigment in the necks). Maybe Sonoran know more about this phenomenon ?

I had it first in a female Silver Partridge which I crossed with a black rooster leaking Silver in the neck (he could haven been a Birchen is hard to tell in Silkies). Now I have it in my lavender Silver Partridges, my Blue Silver Partridges and in my Silver Quails.

I have not really studied it, but thought it was likely cha/cha. It may be the interaction of a combination of genes? Or maybe lakenvelder is cha/cha plus other genes that also darken hackles? Or...?

Lakenvelder have the combination of Co/Co cha/cha on an eb/eb groundcolor based on Silver. The "Co" restrict the black-pigment to the endings as tail, wings, feet feathers and neck, the "cha" intensifie the black-pigment (mostley if not alone) in the neck.
The "testa nera" Silkies I have not have intensified black hackles only the crest and beard are concentrated with black-pigment and are intensified.
Of course when the gene Db/Db would be concerned than the black-pigment would not be in the hackle as with Co/Co !
Did you ever hear of the gene rb/rb (recessive black is the general name for all not registered recessive black genes or recessive black-pigment intensifier genes). I readed about this some time ago but I can't find it back !

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

rb is theoretical, and some think it is actually a combination of genes. I think The Coop has probably got some information/ideas on it.

 

[SilverSilkie]

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Yes, I agree. But assuming it would be the gene cha/cha would implicate was done once a cross with a Lakenvelder (or an other races with this gene) or the mutation accured also in Silkies !
But than this mutation is present in European Silkies aswell as in US Silkies. A little to much fortuitousness not you think also ?