Simulated Natural Nest Incubation~Experiment #1 So it begins....

[fisherlady]

They suggest that more for their convenience then for getting the babies out.

It's just like anything else in this life that is inevitable....that baby will come. Never met a woman yet who just kept being pregnant because her body forgot to have the baby.

I agree with all of the 'inducement' sentiment, but love these two statements in particular! So, so true!!

Unless the baby is in distress I see no sense in inducement, other than the convenient scheduling for the doctor.... I was lucky in that my doctor didn't believe in using inducement unless it was past a week overdue and the baby had some issues. He also told me to continue my normal physical activity level during my pregnancy, basically his opinion was that my body was used to what it was doing so keep doing it, just don't overdo... (I worked full time as a paramedic, so yep, did heavy lifting and steps and all that jazz) Heck, I called off of work from the labor room! LOL
My muscles still being used meant that during labor I was better prepared... 1st baby, labor was from 3 am till 8 am... and would have been 2 hrs quicker but my water didn't break.... once they broke my water I delivered about 10 minutes later. I'm not too sure about all of the methods they use now, seems they have decided that the way kids have been born the past 2 or 3 thousand years just wasn't right so they could do better??? Sorry, I think some things just don't need messed with.

 

[aussie pete]

IMO, u have already proved this method works with "hootie",

now u r just fine tuning for a better hatch rate ,which is what everyone does after their first incubation,regardless of the "incubator" used.

u have been brave enough to follow thru on yr idea & test it out in reality.that is a rare thing these days .

most ppl only do things that have proved to work x someone else ,so that they don't have to go thru the roller coaster of experience.

u do these things all the time & share yr experiences on yr threads for the benefit of others & i thank u for it .

3 cheers for Bee's bravery & conviction in her ideas

cheers Pete

 

[Lacy Blues]

Lucky you! Nest three had three chicks make it to the end, one hatched out, the other two pipped internally and I didn't know enough to pip them externally to let them breathe. I also increased the humidity too much. The one that hatched was named Hootie and then he met with an unfortunate accident. Now on Nest #4 and have 18 eggs coming into the final countdown....Day 21 is on Wednesday this week 4/16. I think 3-4 of those might have died as well, so might just have 14-15 chicks coming into the hatch date, out of 27 eggs set.

The only humidity added to this nest was a quart of water added to the soil in the nest when I set up the nest and none has been added since then. Temps have been maintained within normal limits throughout the hatch~even took the nest on an overnight trip with me across the state and the temps were maintained perfectly throughout the trip with the use of a hot water bottle during transit and with the pad during the stay.

Plans are such that I won't be adding any humidity during or prior to the hatch and will let the pips humidify the process and I will try to not keep the pad over the eggs too tightly as they hatch...will likely apply a frame to keep the pad up off the eggs to let humidity escape and let the cool air stimulate the chicks to work at getting out.

That's the run down...

You shouldn't have to do this. There is air in the end of the egg for them to breathe. They'll pip internally, rest for a while, pip externally, rest for a longer while and then zip the top off the egg.

 

[Lacy Blues]

They suggest that more for their convenience then for getting the babies out. All three of mine were induced and if I knew then what I know now, I would have refused to have it done. Women have been having babies since the Earth began without needing any inducing for it. My third one went into distress over the inducement and I had to have an emergency C-section.

Inducing is like someone lying in a bed, minding their own business and an elephant walks up and steps on her stomach and stands there a bit just munching and thinking about things. No working up to it gradually....just

right after the meds hit your system.

After all my kids were born I went to school to become a nurse and what I learned made me want to kick myself for listening to the doctors and letting them induce my pregnancies.

It's just like anything else in this life that is inevitable....that baby will come. Never met a woman yet who just kept being pregnant because her body forgot to have the baby.

You know, my first child was induced and it ended up the exact same way! I didn't realize it was from the induction. I do know that with the induction, I couldn't keep from pushing until it was "time" and it caused some major problems. If I had to do it over again (and who would want to) I wouldn't allow it.

So, Tomtommom, you can refuse this treatment. After all, its your body and your baby.

 

[Beekissed]

IMO, u have already proved this method works with "hootie",

now u r just fine tuning for a better hatch rate ,which is what everyone does after their first incubation,regardless of the "incubator" used.

u have been brave enough to follow thru on yr idea & test it out in reality.that is a rare thing these days .

most ppl only do things that have proved to work x someone else ,so that they don't have to go thru the roller coaster of experience.

u do these things all the time & share yr experiences on yr threads for the benefit of others & i thank u for it .

3 cheers for Bee's bravery & conviction in her ideas

cheers Pete

Why, thank you, Pete!

Yer gonna make me cry you keep that up, my friend.

You shouldn't have to do this. There is air in the end of the egg for them to breathe. They'll pip internally, rest for a while, pip externally, rest for a longer while and then zip the top off the egg.

Well, mine died, so I'm thinking they ran out of air or I drowned them? How much air can that little compartment hold before it runs out and has to come through the pores of the egg shell? Can it even do that enough to sustain a chick?

 

[Lacy Blues]

Why, thank you, Pete!

Yer gonna make me cry you keep that up, my friend.

Well, mine died, so I'm thinking they ran out of air or I drowned them? How much air can that little compartment hold before it runs out and has to come through the pores of the egg shell? Can it even do that enough to sustain a chick?

It was probably the humidity. You poured water on the nest quite often. Trial and error, no blame being placed. Air isn't the only thing they need at that time. They need fortitude and that is either already in the egg or its not. They just need to rest a while and then start working on the shell themselves. You'll see. They will be fine.

 

[foxvalleyfarm]

It was probably the humidity.  You poured water on the nest quite often.  Trial and error, no blame being placed.  Air isn't the only thing they need at that time.  They need fortitude and that is either already in the egg or its not.  They just need to rest a while and then start working on the shell themselves.  You'll see.  They will be fine.

Honestly quite a few guides suggest making a very small external pip 24 hours after the internal if the baby hasn't. There is only so much air in there and sometimes they need more time to rest until they are ready.

 

[aussie pete]

You shouldn't have to do this. There is air in the end of the egg for them to breathe. They'll pip internally, rest for a while, pip externally, rest for a longer while and then zip the top off the egg.

i agree ,chicks can rest up to 24 hrs from internal pip to external pip.they r learning how to use their lungs ,externally pipping the egg before they r ready, may flood them with air that they can;t handle .
much the same as spraying with water to help humidity ,may drown them ,when they r trying use their lungs

remember yr adage "keep it simple".
eggs were hatching long before we decided to complicate things ,
a bit like doc's inducing labour for their own convenience, whilst it may be required if they're complications,it shouldn't be common practice

Pete

 

[Beekissed]

So, most likely my two were drowned by my adding water and misting willy nilly. That's a good lesson learned but at the expense of those really nice, big chicks. I won't be making THAT mistake this time.....but perhaps some other kind of mistake.

I hope not....

 

[LindaB220]

IMO, u have already proved this method works with "hootie",

now u r just fine tuning for a better hatch rate ,which is what everyone does after their first incubation,regardless of the "incubator" used.

u have been brave enough to follow thru on yr idea & test it out in reality.that is a rare thing these days .

most ppl only do things that have proved to work x someone else ,so that they don't have to go thru the roller coaster of experience.

u do these things all the time & share yr experiences on yr threads for the benefit of others & i thank u for it .

3 cheers for Bee's bravery & conviction in her ideas

cheers

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