sizzle, frizzle, and frazzle???

[howfunkyisurchicken]

I have a beautiful pair (roo and hen) of bantam black Cochins that are said to carry the frizzle gene but they are smooth. I was thinking of putting my splash silkie hen in with them. Would this combo produce any sizzles?

It will produce smooth Sizzles. If your Cochins aren't frizzled, they don't have the frizzle gene, sorry.

 

[WhittHavenFarm]

Ah ok thank you

It will produce smooth Sizzles. If your Cochins aren't frizzled, they don't have the frizzle gene, sorry.

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[howfunkyisurchicken]

This thread has been quiet for a while. Here's some pics I've taken over the past couple of days of my Sizzles and frizzled Silkies (Frilkies)

These chicks are about 10 weeks old now, they grow up so fast

 

[RVAnnie]

Keri - For you the simple answer is  to breed your silkie x  back to a Sizzle (as in frizzled hard feathered) You will probably get at least a few "proper" Sizzles from the breeding, more if your "silkie" feathered bird is carrying the genes we want. Remember there is a lot more going on besides feathering ie; 5 toes, walnut or rose comb, skin color, body type, etc.  Please read the following for more information & please don't take personally my tone. Good Luck & keep asking questions!


FRIZZLE IS NOT A BREED!!  Many breeds come in frizzle.  It is a genetic mutation that causes the feather to curl.  The rule of thumb is breed frizzled to smooth (be it reg or silkie "smooth") Frazzle comes from breeding frizzled feather to frizzled feather (it has some possibilities but, you need to know what your doing) The further along your Sizzles are in development the better chance you have that most or all of your birds carry the genes your after.  Because of the need to breed  frizzle feather to smooth feather the Sizzle list folks have decided to include a smooth sizzle as a variety of the SIZZLE breed.


If you cross a frizzled cochin & silkie, you have the beginnings of SIZZLES, or at least going in that direction.  That cross results in 4 different feather types, especially in the beginning.  You will get from that cross, smooth reg feathers, frizzled reg feathers, reg silkie feathers and frizzled silkie feathers. The purpose of the original cross was to pickup the genes for the reg frizzled feather.  All else is being developed around the Silkie standard.


Im fortunate in that I had the space to do what I called shotgun breeding. I hatched over 200 eggs every year & picked the best of what I had for the next generation. I've been doing this for 6 generations now & I'm just starting to get consistency in my breeding. It is not an easy task developing a new breed; fascinating, frustrating, exciting and a lot of dedication.


I got a really nice looking Sizzle hen from a F1 breeding. It can happen. It was what encouraged me to continue but, I've learned over the years that it takes A LOT more then crossing a Silkie with a frizzled Cochin to get a new breed.  My F1 Sizzle hen was a beauty but, did she breed true? Maybe 10-25% and again, remember here are other variables to work on.  I know I've seen Sizzle eggs for sale that are F1 crosses. Its no wonder there is so much confusion about them! F1 crosses do not a new breed make!


There are now over 70 people on the Sizzle list after a little over 2 years which shows me how interest is really growing in this developing breed. But I feel a need to remind folks that the requirements for a breed to be recognized are a lot more then first generation crosses. The SIZZLE list was started for folks who were interested in developing them as a breed to share information, eggs, stock, help, develop a standard & eventually become a  recognized breed. While most of our members are probably pet owners, we have folks who are already showing..and running into the problems of having a breed few know anything about.   and Im preaching, sorry! Sunday morning sermon over. Go have fun!!!  and keep asking questions!

SarahsSizzles

 

[WIchickens]

I am so glad I found this thread! I started breedg8ng silkies and selling chicks this spring. In the pen, I have 4 silkiee hens, 1 easter egger bantam hen, and 1 what I believe to be a smooth sizzle hen. Then 1 partridge silkie rooster. I always sell the chicks within a few days. I can always tell the easter egger mix because they have yellow feet. But none of the other chicks have ever started growing out flat feathers.

I have been holding onto 2 chicks for a friend - they are about 2 weeks old now. One is black, and the wing feathers are filling in with these thick flat feathers! Does that mean shes a flat sizzle then?

Not sure what to tell my friend when she picks them up today! Plus - i need to be able to tell future customers what there are . Thanks!!

 

[howfunkyisurchicken]

Looks like a smooth Sizzle to me. If its bred back to a Silkies, it'll produce more smooth Sizzles and Silkies. Cute

 

[WIchickens]

Thank you! This silkie/sizzle/fizzle thing is more complicated that I thought!

 

[howfunkyisurchicken]

Thank you! This silkie/sizzle/fizzle thing is more complicated that I thought!

Its not that bad

I just think of it like this...any breed can be frizzled. Silkies have shredded, fluffy feathers (and all the other traits that make them Silkies). Sizzles have normal feathers, but look like a Silkie. Pictures help. These are some of this years grow outs I hung on to.
Silkie:

Frizzled Silkie (the shredded silkied feathers can make it difficult to tell smooth and frizzled Silkies apart):

Sizzle:

Frizzled Sizzle:

 

[Blingchix6]

I hatched my first eggs this year and some of them are frizzles. There is one that has the most beautiful salt and pepper feathers; I am hoping it's a hen because I can't keep roosters. I just love watching them grow bigger every day!!

 

[mom of silkies]

Its not that bad

I just think of it like this...any breed can be frizzled. Silkies have shredded, fluffy feathers (and all the other traits that make them Silkies). Sizzles have normal feathers, but look like a Silkie. Pictures help. These are some of this years grow outs I hung on to.
Silkie:

Frizzled Silkie (the shredded silkied feathers can make it difficult to tell smooth and frizzled Silkies apart):

Sizzle:

Frizzled Sizzle:

They're beautiful!