sizzle, frizzle, and frazzle???

[Keri78]

Oh sweet! B/C I just found a local breeder that has a few "sizzle" babies(some friz, some sizz, some silkie looking)! I was just wondering what to do with them once I get the home(who to put with who) Right now I have a nice white friz roo that I would like to put some white &splash silkie girls with. I also have a red/buff frizz roo(also very nice looking) that I'm thinking of putting some part.silkie girls with?(Is this a good idea?) Then I have two black frizz. girls that I would LOVE to find a cuckoo silkie boy to go with them. Does this sound like good combinations? Thanks sooo much for your help!

Blessings, Keri

 

[amazondoc]

I don't think frazzles are lethal.....just "special".

They tend to have brittle feathers, so they can be bald from all the breakage.

 

[FrizzlesRule]

I have a question to even make this more confusing. I hatched a chick whose parents are a black Silkie rooster and Frizzled Cochin hen.
The chick now an adult is a smooth cochin with Silkie skin and the fifth toe. No frizzled feathers. My question is will her chicks be Frizzles, Sizzles, or smooth???

 

[sarahssizzles]

Keri - For you the simple answer is to breed your silkie x back to a Sizzle (as in frizzled hard feathered) You will probably get at least a few "proper" Sizzles from the breeding, more if your "silkie" feathered bird is carrying the genes we want. Remember there is a lot more going on besides feathering ie; 5 toes, walnut or rose comb, skin color, body type, etc. Please read the following for more information & please don't take personally my tone. Good Luck & keep asking questions!

FRIZZLE IS NOT A BREED!! Many breeds come in frizzle. It is a genetic mutation that causes the feather to curl. The rule of thumb is breed frizzled to smooth (be it reg or silkie "smooth") Frazzle comes from breeding frizzled feather to frizzled feather (it has some possibilities but, you need to know what your doing) The further along your Sizzles are in development the better chance you have that most or all of your birds carry the genes your after. Because of the need to breed frizzle feather to smooth feather the Sizzle list folks have decided to include a smooth sizzle as a variety of the SIZZLE breed.

If you cross a frizzled cochin & silkie, you have the beginnings of SIZZLES, or at least going in that direction. That cross results in 4 different feather types, especially in the beginning. You will get from that cross, smooth reg feathers, frizzled reg feathers, reg silkie feathers and frizzled silkie feathers. The purpose of the original cross was to pickup the genes for the reg frizzled feather. All else is being developed around the Silkie standard.

I’m fortunate in that I had the space to do what I called shotgun breeding. I hatched over 200 eggs every year & picked the best of what I had for the next generation. I've been doing this for 6 generations now & I'm just starting to get consistency in my breeding. It is not an easy task developing a new breed; fascinating, frustrating, exciting and a lot of dedication.

I got a really nice looking Sizzle hen from a F1 breeding. It can happen. It was what encouraged me to continue but, I've learned over the years that it takes A LOT more then crossing a Silkie with a frizzled Cochin to get a new breed. My F1 Sizzle hen was a beauty but, did she breed true? Maybe 10-25% and again, remember here are other variables to work on. I know I've seen Sizzle eggs for sale that are F1 crosses. Its no wonder there is so much confusion about them! F1 crosses do not a new breed make!

There are now over 70 people on the Sizzle list after a little over 2 years which shows me how interest is really growing in this developing breed. But I feel a need to remind folks that the requirements for a breed to be recognized are a lot more then first generation crosses. The SIZZLE list was started for folks who were interested in developing them as a breed to share information, eggs, stock, help, develop a standard & eventually become a recognized breed. While most of our members are probably pet owners, we have folks who are already showing..and running into the problems of having a breed few know anything about. …and… I’m preaching, sorry! Sunday morning sermon over. Go have fun!!! and keep asking questions!
SarahsSizzles

 

[Keri78]

Sarah, that's great! Preach away! Thanks for schooling me! This gives me a much better understanding of my next step. Thanks, Keri

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Frizzle is NOT a lethal gene. A bird with two copies has overly curledx feathers that tend to be brittle and thus break easily. This is NOT something that either directly or indirectly causes death.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Incorrect. A frizzled silkie has frizzled silkie feathering. A sizzle does not have silkied feathering.

 

[sarahssizzles]

Frizzlesrule;

At this point your F1 bird is a x with potential of producing Sizzles, if you work at it. It's not a bad start if you have a frizzled mate for it, preferably not a cochin, as that will only reenforce the cochin traits, which you don't want. If you can aquire a Sizzle mate that would be your first choice. Try the Sizzle list. I know there are a few birds & eggs for sale there. Best of Luck!

 

[sarahssizzles]

Oh Jaynie, that is a wild child! You've almost got me thinking I might give that breeding a try to see what it produces. I wasn't overly happy with any of my roosters this last year. Since I have three experimantal pens going now, what's one more!

 

[jimnjay]

Sarah, LOL that is what has caused me to just about give up. This little guy is just to special to try to rehome. I have one little smooth blue pullet and I will see what they produce, I may add a pure Silkie into the mix. I have just gotten so enamoured with the Lavender Silkies and my little Mottled d'Uccles that the room for Sizzles has shrunk down to one pen period. I can't give them up but I now have to limit the numbers. The good news is the first two will give me 100% Frizzled birds so I will have lots of choices at that time. This truely has been a journey. Four years later and I only have two birds. There were lots of others but they just have not replaced the ones I lost. That is the trouble with having these sweet pets.