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They were hating
Sled dog breeding
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Nobody is "hating". They are being truthful and honest.
You've been given some VERY good advice from some knowledgeable adults in this thread. You really should consider following some of the advice they have given you, instead of simply dismissing it.
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well i'm not hating so sorry if i sound i am. i'm trying to help you not make my mistakes lol
Not gunna make a mistake with this breeder. I love there dogs. And nala is amazing.
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I'm not diss missing any of it. It's just don't start dissing on my family friends. Just cuz there cheap pups don't mean there bad. All pups are always tested.
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ok, I will ask questions. What tests do they have? What registry are they registered with? You say in another post that pups are tested before they go home, except for a few DNA tests, there is nothing that you can test puppies for. OFA is a min of 4-6 months and even then results aren't official. CERF (eyes) doesn't have a minimum age but needs to be re-certified every year. There is much more to being a good breeder than just "don't pump out puppies" Also, charging a different price - $400 with papers, $200 with out - is against the rules of every legitimate registry. If a buyer (or window shopper) was to complain to the AKC, the breeder could be fined, possibly banned for life from registering another litter. The simple fact that their "expensive" dogs are $400 tells me that it's highly unlikely that they are doing all of the testing. Just to cover the prenatal care and then the vet care on the litter and food, first shots and worming, isn't going to be covered at that price. A well-bred, health tested, proven lab is going to run easily twice that, often more. Sibes are in the $1000 range. A proven sled dog can easily go for a couple thousand. http://www.sleddogcentral.com/classifieds/dogsforsale_3.asp#Wallin If you want to insure that you have good homes to choose from, you need to start with the best. Any knowledgeable buyer is going to want to see the history of your dogs. If they see that your foundation stock came from someone selling $400/$200 without paper dogs, they are going to turn around and walk away. If you want to sell field labs, they are going to want to see generations of health tested and field tested dogs. They want to see, at the bare minimum, dogs that are out in the marsh retrieving ducks every season. Even better, dogs that work in the field and who are titled in hunt tests. If you are looking to breed showline labs, they are going to want to see generations of champions. Not one or two champion dogs 4 or 5 generations back. They are going to want to see generations of health tests. When it comes to breeding, the idea is "better to shoot for the stars and miss than to aim for the gutter and hit it." You say that you are wanting to do this the right way. And that you want to produce and sell healthy quality dogs. Yet you are pointing out as your mentors people who are, at best, doing the bare minimum. From your descriptions, it sounds like they own a boy dog and a girl dog and they make puppies. The vet probably says that they are healthy but that isn't the same as having tested proven healthy dogs. I'll use my breed as an example. I have German Shepherds. My boy is from long lines of health tested proven working dogs. He is titled in obedience and rally. He has been examined by several impartial judges in the breed. My stud fee is $700. Pups sell for $1200. We don't even have a mating yet but there are several people waiting to see what ***** is chosen so that they have the opportunity to get on the waiting list and pay a deposit. I am a member of a state "gsd lovers group" There are pups advertised every day - $500. A few days or weeks later, they are marked down to $300. Then to $200. It's not uncommon for the unsold pups to get dumped at the pound or just along a dirt road somewhere because it's too expensive to keep feeding them or because the breeder has another litter on the way.
ok, I will ask questions. What tests do they have? What registry are they registered with? You say in another post that pups are tested before they go home, except for a few DNA tests, there is nothing that you can test puppies for. OFA is a min of 4-6 months and even then results aren't official. CERF (eyes) doesn't have a minimum age but needs to be re-certified every year. There is much more to being a good breeder than just "don't pump out puppies" Also, charging a different price - $400 with papers, $200 with out - is against the rules of every legitimate registry. If a buyer (or window shopper) was to complain to the AKC, the breeder could be fined, possibly banned for life from registering another litter. The simple fact that their "expensive" dogs are $400 tells me that it's highly unlikely that they are doing all of the testing. Just to cover the prenatal care and then the vet care on the litter and food, first shots and worming, isn't going to be covered at that price. A well-bred, health tested, proven lab is going to run easily twice that, often more. Sibes are in the $1000 range. A proven sled dog can easily go for a couple thousand. http://www.sleddogcentral.com/classifieds/dogsforsale_3.asp#Wallin If you want to insure that you have good homes to choose from, you need to start with the best. Any knowledgeable buyer is going to want to see the history of your dogs. If they see that your foundation stock came from someone selling $400/$200 without paper dogs, they are going to turn around and walk away. If you want to sell field labs, they are going to want to see generations of health tested and field tested dogs. They want to see, at the bare minimum, dogs that are out in the marsh retrieving ducks every season. Even better, dogs that work in the field and who are titled in hunt tests. If you are looking to breed showline labs, they are going to want to see generations of champions. Not one or two champion dogs 4 or 5 generations back. They are going to want to see generations of health tests. When it comes to breeding, the idea is "better to shoot for the stars and miss than to aim for the gutter and hit it." You say that you are wanting to do this the right way. And that you want to produce and sell healthy quality dogs. Yet you are pointing out as your mentors people who are, at best, doing the bare minimum. From your descriptions, it sounds like they own a boy dog and a girl dog and they make puppies. The vet probably says that they are healthy but that isn't the same as having tested proven healthy dogs. I'll use my breed as an example. I have German Shepherds. My boy is from long lines of health tested proven working dogs. He is titled in obedience and rally. He has been examined by several impartial judges in the breed. My stud fee is $700. Pups sell for $1200. We don't even have a mating yet but there are several people waiting to see what ***** is chosen so that they have the opportunity to get on the waiting list and pay a deposit. I am a member of a state "gsd lovers group" There are pups advertised every day - $500. A few days or weeks later, they are marked down to $300. Then to $200. It's not uncommon for the unsold pups to get dumped at the pound or just along a dirt road somewhere because it's too expensive to keep feeding them or because the breeder has another litter on the way.
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and to add, there would be proof of hip/elbow ratings. They could have done PennHip but most breeders go with OFA.
If the dog passed, anyone who knows the dogs' names can look it up online.
My dog: http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1553352#animal
If the dog passed, anyone who knows the dogs' names can look it up online.
My dog: http://www.offa.org/display.html?appnum=1553352#animal
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the AKC doesn't care if you sell dogs without papers. However, if you advertise your litter as "$400 with papers or $200 without" the AKC considers that to be "selling papers" IE, you are charging them $200 just to get the AKC registration.
That is illegal under the AKC. If the dog is worth $200, then AKC paperwork isn't going to magically make it a better dog. It is their attempt to help stop people from ripping off buyers. Selling pups for different prices with or without papers is a huge red flag of a bad breeder.
oh i didn't know that. learn something new every day
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