Sled dog breeding

[SternRose]

Third heat cycle is best. And dog and dam.

 

[dainerra]

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if you are doing health testing and all the needed work, the term for what you do is "hobby breeder" Though I agree that the terms can be rather loose in definition, there are some accepted descriptions that most people agree with Backyard breeder is used to denote someone who is just breeding what they happen to have in their backyard - IE using whatever dogs are convenient. A hobby breeder is someone who breeds at home but does all of the work. Trains, trials and health tests their dogs. They aren't in it for money. A commercial breeder is someone who breeds for cash. They have various degrees of how good they are. Many of them work or trial their dogs. A lot of big name kennels fall into this category. In the end, though, their dogs are a business. Some are little more than puppy mills. Some of them are well-known in their breed for having some of the best show or working dogs. It used to be this was the type of breeder who had the best dogs simply because they had the money and staff to invest in campaigning more dogs and racking up more championships. Almost all the past names in GSDs, for example, fell into this category. A puppy mill is someone who has dogs crammed into cages. Breeds every heat and does nothing except pump out puppies. Just like I prefer to say "responsible" instead of reputable. Just because someone has a good reputation doesn't mean that they are being responsible. but of course nothing is black and white. You pick your battles and support the breeder who most fits what is important to you. The breeder who is breeding the type of dog that YOU believe most fits the standard as well as your needs.

 

[dainerra]

I have a few question( I know the answers to them)
1) what is a b.*tch called after she has her litter?
2) what's a male dog called
3) what's the best breeding age for a b*tch?
( I know ALL answers, I'm just asking and anyone can answer) these are things all dog owners should now.

she is a dam
a male dog is a dog. If he is being bred, he is a stud
the best age to breed a ***** is after she has reached physical and mental maturity (a min of 2 years old for medium/large breeds) and has passed all relevant health tests for the breed. The same for the dog.

 

[SternRose]

Those just a few questions I will ask when I sell my puppies i dont kerp, when i raise my sled dogs,

 

[dainerra]

All the reputible breeder I know, have told me that what little profit they make is put right back into their dogs. They use the profits for building new or improving old enclosures, vet care, and other essentials the dogs need. Sometimes it can be to purchase an item of comfort for the pets, 1 breeder had to have her pond covered because of mosquitos and then purchased a stock tank that she drains every few days for the dogs to cool off in. Here in Texas, without swimming of some kind the Sibes can easily overheat, and I myself have a 5 foot round stock tank for my babies to cool off in.

I want to breed because I love Sibes, and I feel that I can improve my girl's blood line. I do feel that many champion Sibes are too inbred, my stud was from line breeding. His sire is also his grandsire. This can be dangerous if someone inexperienced does it, I never will. I plan to get another quality female for my stud, I have already contacted a good breeder in Arizona that has a promising male female pair I am waiting to be bred together for the traits I want. And for good, non-related blood, I will travel to pick the right dog, I will not just take what is available near me. I don't have the facilities now to have multiple males, so my females must be paired to my stud carefully. Since I am disabled (I have rods holding my spine together), and I love animals so much, have a sister who is a vet, and want to improve blood lines not just breed for profit, I feel that breeding quality Sibes is the right fit for me.

the highlighted part is what separates a hobby breeder from a backyard breeder. Seeking to improve the dogs. No dog is perfect but, with luck, we get a little closer to perfection with every breeding.

linebreeding is the best way to set traits. linebreeding is what separates those who are merely breeding dogs from those who are creating a bloodline. Those good traits that you hope to breed into the next generation? linebreeding is how you make them permanent. Outcrossing can actually be more damaging in the wrong hands than simply linebreeding. Those new genes also bring in an entire new set of problems that you must weed out. All the recessives that you don't know are there and have to discover.

It's next to impossible to find dogs in certain breeds who aren't linebred. Linebreeding sets type and allows you more certainty in your litters.
I'll use my boy for an example.


great grandsire


grandsire


sire


Singe

linebreeding is what created that uniformity of conformation and working ability.
http://pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=708834-sbd-posejpals-brsingr

there, of course, is a limit to how closely you want to breed. Too close and you can eventually create problems. Too distant and you aren't going to accomplish anything with your breeding program.

 

[Starfire669]

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if you are doing health testing and all the needed work, the term for what you do is "hobby breeder" Though I agree that the terms can be rather loose in definition, there are some accepted descriptions that most people agree with Backyard breeder is used to denote someone who is just breeding what they happen to have in their backyard - IE using whatever dogs are convenient. A hobby breeder is someone who breeds at home but does all of the work. Trains, trials and health tests their dogs. They aren't in it for money. A commercial breeder is someone who breeds for cash. They have various degrees of how good they are. Many of them work or trial their dogs. A lot of big name kennels fall into this category. In the end, though, their dogs are a business. Some are little more than puppy mills. Some of them are well-known in their breed for having some of the best show or working dogs. It used to be this was the type of breeder who had the best dogs simply because they had the money and staff to invest in campaigning more dogs and racking up more championships. Almost all the past names in GSDs, for example, fell into this category. A puppy mill is someone who has dogs crammed into cages. Breeds every heat and does nothing except pump out puppies. Just like I prefer to say "responsible" instead of reputable. Just because someone has a good reputation doesn't mean that they are being responsible. but of course nothing is black and white. You pick your battles and support the breeder who most fits what is important to you. The breeder who is breeding the type of dog that YOU believe most fits the standard as well as your needs.

That's kind of what I was trying to explain, but I just couldn't figure out how, lol. Thanks. From your description I am a hobby breeder now, though I would like to make it more than a hobby. Not for money, I just want to breed good dogs that can compete well, make a contribution to maintaining the qualities in Siberians that I fell in love with. Next to Siberians my favorite breed is the Belgian Malinois. I rescued a pup and he has turned into a very good dog. He prevented a break in at my house when I was home alone with my children. But, not all Belgians are as calm and kid friendly as Sibes. Unless a Sibe is mistreated they have no human aggression in them at all, they do have hunting instincts and prey drive but that's not the same as human aggression.

 

[Starfire669]

the highlighted part is what separates a hobby breeder from a backyard breeder.    Seeking to improve the dogs.    No dog is perfect but, with luck, we get a little closer to perfection with every breeding.

linebreeding is the best way to set traits.  linebreeding is what separates those who are merely breeding dogs from those who are creating a bloodline.   Those good traits that you hope to breed into the next generation?  linebreeding is how you make them permanent.     Outcrossing can actually be more damaging in the wrong hands than simply linebreeding.    Those new genes also bring in an entire new set of problems that you must weed out.    All the recessives that you don't know are there and have to discover.   


It's next to impossible to find dogs in certain breeds who aren't linebred.     Linebreeding sets type and allows you more certainty in your litters.     
I'll use my boy for an example.   

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Singe

linebreeding is what created that uniformity of conformation and working ability.    
http://pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=708834-sbd-posejpals-brsingr

there, of course, is a limit to how closely you want to breed.    Too close and you can eventually create problems.  Too distant and you aren't going to accomplish anything with your breeding program.

Line breeding can also fix bad traits in a dogs line. Because my females dam is a relative unknown, I can't risk line breeding until I see 2 generations of traits. I plan on getting a second female of high quality, breeding her to Phantom as well. Keep a daughter from both Dawn and female 2, breed those daughters to an outside quailty stud/studs. Then after I see those crosses and monitor the traits I may breed the 2 lines together. Or I may breed back to Phantom, making him father and great grandfather. But I don't want to breed father to daughter, that's too close for a beginner breeder like myself. I guess making Phantom the ancestor of both though is a form of line breeding.

 

[dainerra]

Those just a few questions I will ask when I sell my puppies i dont kerp, when i raise my sled dogs,

why ask those questions? there are much more important ones to ask.

what experience do you have with the breed? references? do you have a trainer? why do you want this breed? why do you want one of MY pups? what training experience do you have?

this is a pretty basic puppy buyer questionnaire. Some are much more detailed. This is from my search for a doberman puppy. The questions are her's and obviously my answers. THIS is what puppy shopping with a responsible breeder looks like

1. Your name
Lila Bauwens

2. Your address
Midway Ar (Baxter County)

3. Why do you want a doberman?
I have long been a fan of the working dog/protection breeds. I currently own GSDs but have always been intrigued by the doberman. The velcro personality, protective instinct, and intelligence are things that I look for in a dog. I prefer dogs that are intelligent problem solvers vs an "obedient" dog. I am involved in many dog activities as well as hiking and want an active breed that can keep up with myself and my GSD.

4. How many people in your household? Please include sex and ages.
myself age38
Husband age 41
daughter age 17
daughter age 12

6. Are you looking for a family pet, show dog or working dog?
all of the above. My dogs are first and foremost family pets. I dabble in conformation. AKC conformation is not something that I am actively doing with my GSD simply because he is a working line dog. I do rally and obedience. I am starting agility training also. I recently received UKC dual registration for my GSD and plan to pursue a conformation title in that venue as well as rally and obedience. I will do the same with my future dogs.

5. Do you presently own any other dogs or cats? What kind and sex?
I own a male GSD. He is intact and I currently have no plans to neuter him re the contract with his breeder.

7. Have you had any experience training or showing a dog?
I have done some conformation showing. As well as obedience and rally. My current dog (2 years old) has his RN and RA titles as well as his CGC. We are currently preparing for RE and Novice Obedience.

8. Are you a member of any dog club or organization? If yes, please list.
North Arkansas Kennel Club

9. What would your training/showing goals be with your doberman, if any
I would like to become more involved in conformation. I will trial in Rally, Obedience and agility. I wish that Schutzhund was an option for me but time and distance are an obstacle at this point.

10. Have you had any experience taping cropped ears?
no. However I do have several local kennel club members who are experienced with taping ears in Great Danes and Bouviers.

11. Do you want a male or female? Why?
Female. I believe that it will be easier to integrate a ***** puppy into our home since I own a dominant male already. However, I am not set on a particular sex as much as finding a dog that is a good match for my family.

12. Describe the ideal dog for your needs
I am looking for a confident, driven dog. Toy motivated vs treat motivated is a plus. I want a dog that is a problem solver and independent thinker. Health and temperament are first and foremost importance vs looks. I am not afraid of the training challenge of a working line dog. I enjoy the work of helping the dog figure out things on his own vs rote obedience drills.
I do not want a blue or fawn dog but that is my only cosmetic concern. I am not looking to breed and no desire to raise a litter. I would consider allowing a male to stud if he is titled and has passed all health clearances but only with the mentor-ship of someone more knowledgeable in the breed (the same situation/contract I currently have with my GSD's breeder).
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13. Do you have a fence? How high is it?
There is a small fenced yard (4foot fence). It is used mainly for supervised playtime/potty breaks. We do have a doggie door but it is blocked off if necessary. We also have a larger unfenced portion of the yard that we use for exercise/play time. Play time is on a long line unless/until the dog is reliable off-leash with supervision. Dogs are not outside the fenced yard unsupervised at any time.


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I am not looking to add a dog in the immediate future. I have more training to put into my GSD before I am ready to take on a new puppy. I am looking at approximately a 2 year time frame, at which point my GSD will be 4 years old and finished with his foundation training. This will allow me to focus on starting off a young dog and the extra work/socialization that requires more one-on-one attention.
At this point, I am looking at breeders to find someone most likely to have a dog to suit my needs. I immediately added your kennel to my list. Besides the absolutely gorgeous dogs, I prefer to support a breeder who works their dogs in their original purpose. Though I can't currently pursue Schutzhund/IPO/RingSport type training, I feel that it is the best way to preserve the working drive and abilities of this type of breed. I am hoping that you would consider my family a good match for your vision of the doberman pinscher.

 

[res]

Those just a few questions I will ask when I sell my puppies i dont kerp, when i raise my sled dogs,

I don't think dog trivia is going to weed out bad owners. I'd guestimate that 90% of dog owners, even good dog owners, would not know the answers. Nor should they really need to, especially if they are looking for a pet vs. a breeding dog.

I think I better concept would be for you to fully investigate the prospective owners. Ask for vet references, and call the vets. Some vets will give you an opinion on a client (especially if they are an outstanding client!), others will simply say whether or not they keep their dogs vaccines/tests/meds current. Ask about living conditions - apartment, rental house, own house, yard size, etc. How many hours do they plan to dedicate to taking care of the dog each day? Inside pet dog or 100% outside dog?

I hope others will chime in with better advice for you than I can think of... I've never bred a dog, but I have pulled shelter dogs, fostered them, and adopted them out. I can also tell you that any contract that you write up regarding no breeding, returning the dog to you, etc. is nothing but a thoughtful gesture on your part. You cannot hold the new owners to it, and I guarantee some of them are going to do whatever they darn well please.

The only way to guarantee one of your puppies isn't bred is for you to sell it already spayed/neutered.

I would also suggest you microchip all your dogs, and keep THAT chip in YOUR name. The owner can have another chip put in if they want, but it ensures that the dog WILL have you as a contact if it is surrendered. I know, because it has happened to me... One of the dogs I adopted out, after fully vetting the new owner, was an owner surrender into a shelter 100 miles away from the owner a few years later. Because I was still the registered owner on the chip, I was contacted. At the time, I lived 4500 miles away from where the dog was surrendered, but I was able to network with local friends and get her pulled and re-homed, again, where she still is 6 years later....

 

[dainerra]

Line breeding can also fix bad traits in a dogs line. Because my females dam is a relative unknown, I can't risk line breeding until I see 2 generations of traits. I plan on getting a second female of high quality, breeding her to Phantom as well. Keep a daughter from both Dawn and female 2, breed those daughters to an outside quailty stud/studs. Then after I see those crosses and monitor the traits I may breed the 2 lines together. Or I may breed back to Phantom, making him father and great grandfather. But I don't want to breed father to daughter, that's too close for a beginner breeder like myself. I guess making Phantom the ancestor of both though is a form of line breeding.

true but in a case like yours, linebreeding is exactly how you find out what traits are there. You basically force the bad things to show themselves so that you know what they are. You can't avoid what you don't know is there. Of course, not something I would attempt without a mentor well-versed in the breed.

And, I don't remember who said it above but pet peeve of mine.

It is confOrmation. you want a dog that conforms to (meets) the standard. A dog show is to confirm your opinion that a dog has correct conformation