Sled dog breeding

[Starfire669]

Go look again cuz you have it out of order and if I wanted to be a back yard breeder would I have started this thread asking RESONSBLE questions? No I don't think so, oveously I want to be a responsible breeder. Would a back yard breeder want to be a vet?

Then do research, call breeders, take genetics classes and take your time learning about your chosen breed before you start. My questions were designed to try and show you how a well meaning, but uneducated person could make bad descions that can affect others. Education is the key to not making mistakes that could set your breeding program back or ruin a decent bloodline. Use more resources than a chicken website, most people here don't know enough about dog breeding to be able to give good answers. I myself am learning from my breeder (Phantom's breeder) and I burn up the phone lines talking to her asking questions. I have been researching for over a year and still don't know enough to give you all the answers you need.

 

[Americano Blue]

No, to both. Alaskan Malamutes do not come in brown and neither do Siberian huskies. She is a puppy mill Siberian Husky. She is a classic example of horrible inbreeding done by inexperienced and uncaring breeders. Her sire and dam were on site (her breeder had 16 adult Siberians and 4 puppies) and both appeared to be purebred, she herself has AKC paperwork. But it is possible she is not pure bred. Her nose is too long, ears too big, her legs are way to long and thin, her tail does not curve over her back in a sickle like a Sibes should, and as I said she is brown. Siberians come in shades of red, black, white, or can be agouti or wild coloring like a wolf. But agouti Siberians have 3 very distinctive bands of color on a single strand of hair, which Cheyenne does not have.

So now I have another question. I have listed Cheyenne's faults and her background. She is AKC registered. Would you breed her?

she said Alaskan husky. they are totally different then sibs and come in any color. i hate puppymills. they make me cry

 

[dainerra]

SternRose I think the problem is that you need to change how you approach the way that you look at dogs. You can't look at a dog with the prospect of breeding it. You begin by looking at all the reasons that dog should NOT be bred.
You learn the faults in your breed and which are minor and which are major. a couple minor faults or areas that aren't 100% what you like to see? ok, you can start thinking of ways to fix that. A single major fault and cross that dog off your list.

Once that dog has passed this first hurdle. Then you look at the immediate pedigree. Again, looking for reasons to NOT breed.

 

[Starfire669]

she said Alaskan husky. they are totally different then sibs and come in any color. i hate puppymills. they make me cry

She said Alaskan husky or Alaskan malamute. I never said anything against the dog being an Alaskan husky, as that is a type not a breed. There is no official breed as the Alaskan husky simply because it was made by breeding so many different breeds to pull sleds. Many Alaskan huskies have Siberian, malamute, or other northern dog breed in them, but they can also have hound blood and other blood in them, they do not have a set look, and are not recognized by the AKC as a breed because there is no way to write a standard for them to conform to.

But Alaskan Malamutes do have a standard, and there are no brown malamutes just like there are no brown Siberians. After identifying what breed the dog pictured was (or at least registered as), I then explained what a proper Siberian should look like compared to what the dog pictured looked like. The post was to find out how much the OP knew, and then provide additional information that she did not seem to know.

My post was never intended to be anything other than educational.

 

[SternRose]

I don't look at them and say hey that dog I can breed. I look at them see what I expect in a PET dog, then I look at what is my plan for this dog, then if I ask the breeder about breeding him/her I get there opinion. It's working dogs/pets then show dogs then breeding.

 

[Americano Blue]

just a reminder for everyone, we are talking about SLED DOGS. you want completely different things then AKC show dogs or pets. Looks don't matter. you don't care if the pup comes out grey or brown with brown eyes, blue or both. its ok to cross breed. it you want to bred your Alaskan with a greyhound so it will be a better sprint dog then do so.

Alaskan huskies were crossbred many times. the basic blood lines are the native alaskan dog with wolf the greyhound.

yes purebreds are great but if you don't have a dog that has the speed or endurance you need, find one that does

 

[dainerra]

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but that is the problem 1 - never look at a dog and think about pets. The only exception is a breed that is meant to only be a pet such as pugs and other small lap dogs. The majority of breeds were meant to perform a certain job and should only be judged against their standard and their ability to do that job. 2 - always look for what is wrong. Once that list is complete THEN you can start to look at what may be good about the dog. 3 - never look at a dog's possibilities in your breeding plan until you have ruled out anything that would eliminate it as breedable. 4 - once you have decided that the dog is breedable, then you must look for reasons that the dog won't fit into your program - maybe the bloodline isn't a good fit with what you already have. Maybe it is too closely related or too much of an outcross, depending on where you are in your program.

 

[dainerra]

working dog or show dog, the principles of breeding are going to be the same. you look for reasons that the dog WON'T be bred long before you look for reasons that it should be.

Even if there is no exact written standard, there is going to be a general conformation that allows the dog to do the job intended. You have to have a very good background in structure before you can know what to look for.

 

[SternRose]

My first go to is ask the breeder what pup is better to breed out of the few I narrows it down to. I know my breeder that I'm going to and she said that's a great way to start

 

[Starfire669]

just a reminder for everyone, we are talking about SLED DOGS. you want completely different things then AKC show dogs or pets. Looks don't matter. you don't care if the pup comes out grey or brown with brown eyes, blue or both.  its ok to cross breed. it you want to bred your Alaskan with a greyhound so it will be a better sprint dog then do so. 


Alaskan huskies were crossbred many times. the basic blood lines are the native alaskan dog with wolf the greyhound.

yes purebreds are great but if you don't have a dog that has the speed or endurance you need, find one that does

I am using the Siberian husky as an example because it is a sled dog. It's AKC conformation guides were written with that in mind and reflect what the perfect Siberian husky sled dog should look like and why. Sled dogs bodies are put together a certain way for pulling power, speed and the ability to do their job well. No matter if your sled dog is pure bred or not, knowing how it's body conformation helps it do it's job is very important to any successful breeding program. If I were using pugs as a guide then I could see why you would question my advice. But I am using a sled dog, not a pug so the information is relevant to the question asked.