Small eggs??

[Quailophilic]

Ohhh you did mean the tuxedo marking! I thought you meant that you had a pharoh bird with the same feather pattern as a Tibetan but only on the chest lol!

Italian is dominant over wild/pharoh, wild/pharoh and Italian is dominant over white he looks just like a pharoh tux I had years ago, similar offspring too

So, he has this one baby as i shown above with golden italian mom.
Two are golden italians from italian mom
And one is regular pharaoh with italian mom.
And one is completely white from white mom.(it means he has white genes)
And one baby(died) from a pharaoh hen was also white with a little mark on his head.

 

[Quailophilic]

(The male)He's definitely carrying the white gene.
As he is a pharaoh so obviously he has pharaoh genes.
But the strange marking on his chest says that he also has some tibetan blood

 

[FloorCandy]

(The male)He's definitely carrying the white gene.
As he is a pharaoh so obviously he has pharaoh genes.
But the strange marking on his chest says that he also has some tibetan blood

I have a male who is a pharaoh tuxedo, and I had inquired about it previously at some point, and I believe @Fenrisulfr had said to get one you can’t straight breed like Tibetan + white you need to put several traits together over a couple generations. So it’s like a roll of the genetics dice in a varied flock I guess.

I think it looks lovely and I kept mine as the only pharoah keeper, he was lucky as 1 out of 7 males vying for that spot. I will be incubating his eggs with some Tibetan/Rosetta tuxes in a week or so when my current batch hatches, I’m hoping for an interesting pied mix.

 

[Quailophilic]

I have a male who is a pharaoh tuxedo, and I had inquired about it previously at some point, and I believe @Fenrisulfr had said to get one you can’t straight breed like Tibetan + white you need to put several traits together over a couple generations. So it’s like a roll of the genetics dice in a varied flock I guess.

I think it looks lovely and I kept mine as the only pharoah keeper, he was lucky as 1 out of 7 males vying for that spot. I will be incubating his eggs with some Tibetan/Rosetta tuxes in a week or so when my current batch hatches, I’m hoping for an interesting pied mix.

Let us know when they hatch

 

[FloorCandy]

Let us know when they hatch

Yesterday I pulled the breeder pen out from under the deck and I hosed off the spiders haha (amazing how many after only 11 days under the deck). I set it all up, and here they are, Tiger Millionaire and his ladies.

My current eggs are on day 12, next Monday I will begin to collect eggs from these hens for hatching. Once the chicks haves all moved to the brooder, I’ll clean and setup the incubator for these eggs.

 

[Quailophilic]

Yesterday I pulled the breeder pen out from under the deck and I hosed off the spiders haha (amazing how many after only 11 days under the deck). I set it all up, and here they are, Tiger Millionaire and his ladies.

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My current eggs are on day 12, next Monday I will begin to collect eggs from these hens for hatching. Once the chicks haves all moved to the brooder, I’ll clean and setup the incubator for these eggs.

I am curious

 

[Fenrisulfr]

(The male)He's definitely carrying the white gene.
As he is a pharaoh so obviously he has pharaoh genes.
But the strange marking on his chest says that he also has some tibetan blood

Rezessive White has nothing to do with Pied/Tuxedos.

There 4 or 5 different located genes responsible for the pied pattern.
One for the white wing tipps
One for the head
One for the beard/bin
One for the belly
One for white down feathers
... all are rezessive.

Maybe there are 1-2 more, I am still reseaching.

Your Pharaoh got only the white beard/bib gene homozygotious. Maybe others hidden heterozygotous or none. Never knows, as they are not showing.

And Tibetan is unlikley, as it is dominant. Even it is incomplete dominant, but it would overwrites Pharaoh quite much as heterozygotous.
If there is Tibetan genes in your Pharaoh it would be more a Rosetta with some slightly Wildpattern markings.

Don't want to disapoint you !

 

[Quailophilic]

Rezessive White has nothing to do with Pied/Tuxedos.

There 4 or 5 different located genes responsible for the pied pattern.
One for the white wing tipps
One for the head
One for the beard/bin
One for the belly
One for white down feathers
... all are rezessive.

Maybe there are 1-2 more, I am still reseaching.

Your Pharaoh got only the white beard/bib gene homozygotious. Maybe others hidden heterozygotous or none. Never knows, as they are not showing.

And Tibetan is unlikley, as it is dominant. Even it is incomplete dominant, but it would overwrites Pharaoh quite much as heterozygotous.
If there is Tibetan genes in your Pharaoh it would be more a Rosetta with some slightly Wildpattern markings.

Don't want to disapoint you !

No problem. If i ever wanted a tibetan, i would better get it at the meat shop(i have seen some there).
And the male also has white wingtip gene.
His baby's got white wingtip and white beard genes.
And the male also has recessive white gene thats why, his baby, with a white hen, is white.
The male's size is small, so i want to cull him and also he bullies the white hen.
But at same time, i am interested in his genetics. Please suggest if I should keep him or cull him.

 

[Fenrisulfr]

Always difficult. But if you want to breed in size of the birds, you should always breed with the biggest birds, especially big males.

But I can understand the curiosity about color genetics ... same here

 

[Quailophilic]

Always difficult. But if you want to breed in size of the birds, you should always breed with the biggest birds, especially big males.

But I can understand the curiosity about color genetics ... same here

Male is small size. I'd better culled him. If any male from present chicks comes out to be big,i will keep him for breeding