So sad, Lost one of my new peacocks today!

[zazouse]

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[Resolution]

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Turkeys and peafowl have very different life histories. Their diets are clearly not the same. Turkey food is fine to feed peafowl. You know how good it is when the expunge upwards of thirty percent of it undigested . Professional feed formulators are in the habit of undertaking exhaustive nutrition trials before putting product on the market. Deer Man perhaps you should do more than give a precursory skim of my post before commenting. Turkey feed is a maintenance diet. UltraKibble is a supplement.

Yes and its not formulated for peafowl either...........if you note both main ingredients are mostly corm....peafowl are not parrots or catfish either.

Guess you never seen turkey kill and eat those same thing peafowl do.......Oh i forgot this is your super feed that will cure all

Deerman I'll invite you to read what's been written here. Your comments make it clear that you have not, or at least have not comprehended what's been written.
To be clear UltraKibble is formulated for peafowl and a number of other species, which is why it is used so extensively in both zoo and farm settings. There has never been a better product on the market.
Zoos use the food as a maintenance feed for some species and as a supplement for others. Farms use it as a supplement for domestic poultry, saving money and time by cutting down on the amount of feed put out each day- cleaning up less waste in the form of heavy wet droppings.

Afropavo and Rheinardia are members of the Peafowl family Pavonidae.

North American Turkey s in the genus Meleagris; Ocellated Turkey of the genus Agriocharis belong to the subfamily Meleagrididae, which is one branch within the Tetraonidae family.

Many turkeys have been described from fossils. The Meleagrididae are known from the Early Miocene (c. 23 mya) onwards, with the extinct genera Rhegminornis (Early Miocene of Bell, U.S.) and Proagriocharis (Kimball Late Miocene/Early Pliocene of Lime Creek, U.S.). The former is probably a basal turkey, the other a more contemporary bird not very similar to known turkeys; both were much smaller birds. A turkey fossil not assignable to genus but similar to Meleagris is known from the Late Miocene of Westmoreland County, Virginia.[8] In the modern genus Meleagris, a considerable number of species have been described, as turkey fossils are robust, fairly often found, and turkeys show much variation among individuals. Many of these supposed fossilized species are now considered junior synonyms. One, the well-documented California Turkey Agriocharis californica,[9] became extinct recently enough to have been hunted by early human settlers[10] and it is believed its demise was due to the combined pressures of climate change at the end of the last glacial period and hunting.[11] The modern species and the California Turkey seem to have diverged approximately one million years ago.
Turkeys known from fossils

* Meleagris sp. (Early Pliocene of Bone Valley, U.S.)
* Meleagris sp. (Late Pliocene of Macasphalt Shell Pit, U.S.)
* Agriocharis californica (Late Pleistocene of SW U.S.) - formerly Parapavo/Pavo
* Agriocharis crassipes (Late Pleistocene of SW North America)

Turkeys have been considered by many authorities to be of their own family, the Meleagrididae but a recent genomic analyses of a retrotransposon marker groups turkeys in the family Tetraonidae a sister phylum to the family Phasianidae.

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Species in the enigmatic Genus Lerwa ( Snow Partridges) appear to be allied with the extinct genus Rhegminornis, the earliest North American Turkey species. Rhegminornis would theoretically have arrived on this continent about the same time the common ancestor of the Musk Ox and Mountain Goat arrived over the Bering Land Bridge.

Tetraophasis

Lophophorus
Species in the Genus Tetraophasis (Monal Partridges) and Lophophorus (Monals) may be the closest living relatives of the extinct genera Proagriocharis and Parapavo. Their common ancestor evolved into the Agriocharis lineage, which preceded the modern Turkey tribe.

The Ocellated Turkey shares many similarities with Asiatic Peafowl species of the genus Pavo. The two are convergent genera.
Though they are only very distantly related, the turkeys and the peafowl are superficially similar . Morphological convergence isn't unique to members of the Gallinaceous bird order.
Civets and Felines are both members of the Carnivore order. Like the Peafowl and Turkey, the two respective carnivorous mammals belong to well-differentiated families. The Civet and Feline families belong to the suborder Feliformia . Peafowl and Turkeys belong to the same suborder Gallophasioforma. Similarly, Musk Ox superficially resembleBison but they are related to Goats and Sheep in the subfamily Caprinae while the Bison is a North American Yak, closely related to cattle. The Musk Ox is an Arctic-adapted "Goat-Antelope ", living fossils, which predate true goats and sheep. The Bison belongs to the subfamily Bovinae . Both families belong to the Ungulate order. Members of the Civet family resemble relatively unrelated members of the Feline family. For instance, theFossa - a form of Civet related to the Mongoose and Meerkat resembles superficially the Jaguarundi a wild cat related to the Mountain Lion and Ocellot.
They are maintained in similar ways within zoological parks, fed similar foods but they are far from identical. There are certain enzymes and fatty acids that Civets require that Felines do not and visa vis.

Pavo has more in common nutritionally and ecologically with the genus Agriocharis than either have with the North American Wild turkey. This may be largely an issue of latitude - and altitude- Ocellated Turkeys and Pavo Peafowl are subtropical species. They inhabit similar habitats, habitats that have been inhabited by similar, large bodied, at least partially terrestrial Galliform birds since the Eocene epoch if not earlier. Gallinaceous birds of even what we consider the more modern genera have been around so long, inhabiting the same geographic regions in the same or very similar ecosystems all that time, the more tropical species tend to be fairly fine tuned. They tend to not be as adaptive to new ecosystems as those birds that inhabit regions and ecosystems with more dramatic shifts in weather- greater differences between seasons-. Those ecological generalists like wild turkeys and red junglefowl, Indian peafowl to some extent, Ring Necked Pheasants- these species are adapted to live on foods that are only seasonal available.


Consequently, Ocellated Turkeys have often fared poorly in captivity especially where they have been managed like N.A. Wild or Domestic Turkeys The aviculturists that have the best luck with Agriocharis over the long term ( birds that live longer than two or three years and reproduce consistently with success- low mortality.) supplement their diets with animal protein, fat and antioxidant rich fruit. They do not confine them in dusty enclosures for the winter and are mindful that the birds do not come into contact with food and substrate contaminated with fecal material.

Indian Peafowl are probably the most adaptive of the Peafowl family and this has led to their being the most common in captivity.

I'm not suggesting that everything hobbyists are doing is wrong or unethical. I am suggesting that people recalibrate their husbandry protocols. By making more educated choices the aviculturist and poultier streamlines their efforts; reduces the numbers of birds kept and is still capable of selecting ideal progeny but from a smaller pool of candidates. All this leads to savings in money and energy. Perhaps more importantly, keeping fewer birds cuts down on the potential for disease outbreak. It's quite a lot less inconvenient to clean up after a few dozen birds than hundreds. Tools like UltraKibble help the steward manage flock health by cutting down waste and dust. When used as directed UltraKibble supplement helps end nutritional deficiency and the cycle of disease and infection.​

 

[deerman]

Resolution, going and gather pics and information from the internet????? first posting other peoples's pic. is just wrong.

Yes your feed cure all those diseases....not. Point my peafowl are just as heathly as any of those wild or ones in zoo . on your SUPER FEED.

I lose very few and alot less than those raised in the wild. Go ahead and post of those tigers that peafowl can kill if fed your super feed.

Myself I see thru all the BULL....your right about one thing..........no I am not going to read all that infor you are gathering..if i want to I could look up all the same info from the net...but have no reason,because nothing wrong with the way my peafowl ,look or reproduce.



Yes you can get better looking pics from the net.....mine are just taken of my birds , and not that great at taken pics. Some of your have even been Edit........

 

[zazouse]

I don't understand why some people on here are getting so upset with Resolutions post, He is only trying to show different views on things and we can take them with a grain of salt if we choose.

I for one am enjoying the post and photos and find them enlighting.

He has been very respectful in spite of the digg he seems to be getting and i admire that in him or her.

I mean no disrespect to anyone here , but i joined this forum to share info and learn from other and really wished the diggs were left to PM's not posted on this forum.

 

[Resolution]

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Thanks for reading with the intention of learning- from an objective space. From my perspective, it appears that we've entered an age in history where a great many people are unambiguous in their abhorrence and or fear of original ideas. I forget where I read it but I think it was in the American Conservative magazine that worried about the collective psyche of a populace that perpetuates misinformation via hyperbole. Super food and tiger killing peacocks will join the frothy spittle of contempt that included my supposed requests for peacock plucking and the crossing of Denzeli long -crowers with Marans to what ends we shall never know.

There are a few ancient Egyptian proverbs, which come to mind here. They often come to mind when limping about from "friendly fire" on forums such as this one:

# There are two kinds of error: blind credulity and piecemeal criticism. Never believe a word without putting its truth to the test; discernment does not grow in laziness; and this faculty of discernment is indispensable to the Seeker. Sound skepticism is the necessary condition for good discernment; but piecemeal criticism is an error.

# Love is one thing, knowledge is another.
# An answer brings no illumination unless the question has matured to a point where it gives rise to this answer which thus becomes its fruit. Therefore learn how to put a question.
# What reveals itself to me ceases to be mysterious—for me alone: if I unveil it to anyone else, he hears mere words which betray the living sense: Profanation, but never revelation.

 

[silkiechicken]

Apologies to the OP for the loss of their bird, but this tread has deviated off track.