So whatever happend to the national healthcare law they were trying to pass??

[chickened]

Well for what it is worth I did hear a good explanation about his birth certificate and that the type of font that was used in the original copy was not invented until 10 years or so after he was born.

I will try to find some info about it.

Well if sheriff Joe said it that's good enough for me! Come on, bringing up the "birther" conspiracy is awfully desperate don't you think?

 

[cupman]

I honestly think this type of thing hurts your cause. Bringing up the birth certificate, whether Osama is really dead, the time he misspoke about 57 states(come on, Harvard law grad knows how many states there are), teleprompters, golf, etc. People are getting tired of it and the polls are proof.

 

[cubalaya]

seeing the proof right before your eyes and you still refuse to believe it or call me a birther.

edited by staff

 

[cupman]

Yes, it is, but why would using that tactic be surprising? Emotional responses against an opponent do not require fact-based reasoning or intelligent arguments. That the republican party continues to cater to those who make decisions this way will be to its own detriment, as the intelligent members of the non-affiliated independent voting population seek to further distance themselves from them. I think, in the future, the libertarians will rise to prominence and become more powerful, possibly becoming the outlet for those who lean conservative but also have a grasp on reality.

I think you are right about that. Many social issues are gaining more support every single day. Libertarians don't make such a big deal about social issues as the more traditional republican. I think the republican party will have an entirely different look in 10 or 15 years. I think they will realize hanging onto social issues hurts them more than it helps.

 

[EweSheep]

I personally don't care about the media and the hype that associated with it. I only believe in what I know and what I can glean from the information I have on hand to believe within a reasonable doubt.

For goodness sakes, let it go about Obama's birth certificate! Congress would have call upon him to prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii or of American parent...it is an automatic citizenship of America. So Obama is an American citizen. He submitted the long form to Congress, and they deemed it authentic. AND his mother was an American.

 

[AquaEyes]

Well for what it is worth I did hear a good explanation about his birth certificate and that the type of font that was used in the original copy was not invented until 10 years or so after he was born.

I will try to find some info about it.

That is a misrepresentation of what actually happens in a computer program when scanned images of text are read. You see, if a scanned image of a text contains a font not actually present within a program's font database, it selects the closest fit, then reconfigures the text in that font. If you looked at the font used by the program, it may thus be a font "not invented until 10 years or so after he was born" if the original font was not added to the program's font database. This has been debated all over the net, and even Fox "News" determined that the certificate was legitimate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/

Unfortunately, when individuals use emotion-based reasoning, their method of investigation does not follow the path from that which is used in fact-based reasoning. They "feel" something is wrong, then seek evidence to support their "feeling", often ignoring evidence that contradicts that "feeling." This group will not easily change their opinions based on facts -- they require a change of feeling. All the facts available may indicate that a candidate is a poorer choice compared to his opponent, but that doesn't trump a "feeling-based" individual's decision to vote for "the guy they'd most like to have a beer with."

Both "feeling-based" and "evidence-based" methods of decision-making have their places, but in some situations, one is more appropriate than the other. Personal relationships are not best decided by an "evidence-based" method -- if you have no "feeling" to be in a particular relationship, all the evidence in the world won't make it a good choice. Similarly, in evaluating whether or not a piece of data is true or false, a "feeling-based" method isn't appropriate.

 

[AquaEyes]

I think you are right about that. Many social issues are gaining more support every single day. Libertarians don't make such a big deal about social issues as the more traditional republican. I think the republican party will have an entirely different look in 10 or 15 years. I think they will realize hanging onto social issues hurts them more than it helps.

Yes, because ultimately, putting conservatism on social issues is actually an anathema to the original republican party's ideals -- limited government interference in personal lives. It was only when the fiscal conservatives sought to get in bed with the fundamentalist social conservatives that such craziness started -- "Let me do what I wish with my finances, but you better stop that guy from doing what he wishes with his personal life."

And people are seeing the contradiction. One doesn't need to be republican to be fiscally conservative. Where the middle-of-the-road democrats are now on many policies is where the middle-of-the-road republicans were thirty years ago.

Edited...my brain is all jumbled at the moment...had an exam today, another tomorrow, another the day after......

 

[chickened]

I actually do not know who to believe about Obama's birthplace. It probably would not change anything anyhow he is above reproach in his own mind anyhow.

That is a misrepresentation of what actually happens in a computer program when scanned images of text are read. You see, if a scanned image of a text contains a font not actually present within a program's font database, it selects the closest fit, then reconfigures the text in that font. If you looked at the font used by the program, it may thus be a font "not invented until 10 years or so after he was born" if the original font was not added to the program's font database. This has been debated all over the net, and even Fox "News" determined that the certificate was legitimate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/29/expert-says-obamas-birth-certificate-legit/

Unfortunately, when individuals use emotion-based reasoning, their method of investigation does not follow the path from that which is used in fact-based reasoning. They "feel" something is wrong, then seek evidence to support their "feeling", often ignoring evidence that contradicts that "feeling." This group will not easily change their opinions based on facts -- they require a change of feeling. All the facts available may indicate that a candidate is a poorer choice compared to his opponent, but that doesn't trump a "feeling-based" individual's decision to vote for "the guy they'd most like to have a beer with."

Both "feeling-based" and "evidence-based" methods of decision-making have their places, but in some situations, one is more appropriate than the other. Personal relationships are not best decided by an "evidence-based" method -- if you have no "feeling" to be in a particular relationship, all the evidence in the world won't make it a good choice. Similarly, in evaluating whether or not a piece of data is true or false, a "feeling-based" method isn't appropriate.

 

[Capvin]

Sometimes I am just amazed at the statements people make regarding this birther issue and if they really do not realize how foolish and ignorant it makes them sound. It is sort of like wearing a clown suit and not knowing it. Like not having a mirror in your house to see how you are dressed. Somehow I would think that someone who spouts this birther nonsense is not missing a vital cognitive function. Donald Trump spouts it for a reason. I have met Donald Trump in my previous life and although he is an arrogant SOB he is not dumb. The reason why he does it is to make money. Trump would sell his daughter to make money and has. The Arizona sherrif spouts it for noteriety. He loves the spotlight, plus he is one of the most racist people in the world since the grand kleagle of the KKK. As for the others who swallow this poison laced Kool Aide and spout it out like a ventriloquist puppet, I really do not get it and it would make no sense to argue with them. It would be tantamount to rearguing that the world is flat but at least that argument is not racist.

 

[cupman]

Well we finally got an answer about this long debate. I watched it live on FOX. I had no idea what the heck was going on. They said it was struck down, then upheld, then struck down and now upheld again. Looks like it was struck down through commerce clause but upheld through a tax.