So whatever happend to the national healthcare law they were trying to pass??

[Capvin]

http://www.news-medical.net/news/20120229/Obamacare-draws-more-opposition-than-Romneycare.aspx

More people than Rush or Beck think the same thing about Obamacare.

It will be repealed if a Republican wins the Whitehouse.

In this country a President has no authority to repeal any law. Presidents are the Executive Branch. The Legislative branch is Congress and they can make laws and repeal laws but it takes a lot to repeal an existing law. Think Prohibition. The Supreme Court is the Judicial Branch and all they can do is pass on the constitutionality of a law. You should also remember that before we passed the Civil Rights legislation there were a lot of people in this country that were opposed to that. The people do not get to make laws or repeal laws no matter that some poll conducted by the insurance industry says that a lot of people feel that it is wrong. So we are back to Beck, Rush and you who are convinced that the individual mandate will be held unconstitutional.

 

[chickened]

They are doing the same thing with the military with Obama's war crime panel. I had a very interesting talk last night with a Gulf War veteran that spent 11 years in Iraq and some of the things this president is doing to the military is appalling. One of the things they are doing is giving soldiers a card with a checklist of things to observe about the enemy before he decides to shoot them. I just met the guy but talked with him for about an hour
and was shocked at what they are doing over there under Obama's command.Quote:

It passed......

This is yet another club to beat everyone over the head with at every election........

It's not about "Health Care".... It's about control over the population......

Ask yourself if you will be pleased when a bureaucrat decides an activity or hobby is too dangerous to allow due to safety impacts on health costs..... unless you pay an additional fee to cover potential issues.

If you don't think it will go that way just ask any Brit about "Health & Safety" commissions in England.


If this is not repealed we are going to be in deeper doo-doo than anyone can imagine. It's Nanny-State on steroids....

 

[chickened]

People want FREE healthcare not reformed.

It's interesting how before our current president was elected it was something like 70 or 80 percent of people wanted health care reform. But now it's split party line. You can always spot a sore loser.

 

[chickened]

I understand the way our government works. Does it matter who took the poll? You cannot force people to buy insurance. It must remain a choice and in order for it to be a choice non-participation has to be an option just like auto insurance.

Since when has the Constitution mattered to Obama anyways? The guy is a liar.

In this country a President has no authority to repeal any law. Presidents are the Executive Branch. The Legislative branch is Congress and they can make laws and repeal laws but it takes a lot to repeal an existing law. Think Prohibition. The Supreme Court is the Judicial Branch and all they can do is pass on the constitutionality of a law. You should also remember that before we passed the Civil Rights legislation there were a lot of people in this country that were opposed to that. The people do not get to make laws or repeal laws no matter that some poll conducted by the insurance industry says that a lot of people feel that it is wrong. So we are back to Beck, Rush and you who are convinced that the individual mandate will be held unconstitutional.

 

[Capvin]

I really hate to keep correcting you but in every state that I know off automobile insurance is a requirement if you want to own a car. That is only one of many things that governmental authorities can and do require people to comply with.

 

[Oregon Blues]

Congress looked around, saw many people without medical care because they could not afford insurance. So they passed a law that everybody must purchase insurance.

See? Problem solved. As soon as everyone purchases health care insurance, then everybody will have medical care.

And that's what you get when you believe that congress will take care of you.

No government mandates that you must buy auto insurance. You are perfectly welcome to spend your entire life without ever purchasing auto insurance. Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. If you don't want to purchase auto insurance, then don't own a car and don't buy the insurance.

Health insurance is a bit different, since it is mandatory for everyone. Unless of course you decide to opt out and stop breathing.

 

[Capvin]

Congress looked around, saw many people without medical care because they could not afford insurance. So they passed a law that everybody must purchase insurance.

See? Problem solved. As soon as everyone purchases health care insurance, then everybody will have medical care.

And that's what you get when you believe that congress will take care of you.

No government mandates that you must buy auto insurance. You are perfectly welcome to spend your entire life without ever purchasing auto insurance. Driving a car is a privilege, not a right. If you don't want to purchase auto insurance, then don't own a car and don't buy the insurance.

Health insurance is a bit different, since it is mandatory for everyone. Unless of course you decide to opt out and stop breathing.

Boy, I really hate to disagree with everyone in the State of Oregon, but I think you are wrong in your assesment of health insurance in that it has some similarities to the required purchase of car insurance. Yes, of course you are correct in that if you do not own a car you are not required to have car insurance. And, I guess that would be similar to health insurance if you can say that no one needs to have health insurance if they promise NEVER TO BE SICK AND TO NEVER USE THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. In other words, people who do not have health insurance will get sick at the same rate as everyone else and once they do get sick they will go to the emergency room, use all the facilities and doctors and nurses etc, except they do not have any means to pay. So, when that happens, the costs go up and the people who do have health coverage wind up paying for those who do not. Now, I would have no problem with a law that says, like you suggest, No one is required to buy health insurance but when they get sick they must take care of themselves and probably die anyway, Until this problem is solved there can never be any real health reform.

 

[gickelvolk]

As it is in society today, it is here also.... This is but one subject that will go on and on because it is driven by both sides of the old subject.....

"I want something and I want you to help pay for it".......

Buck up and stand on your own footing! If you want it, pay for it. If you are destitute you will be cared for. Don't demand that I participate in a system that will demand I buy a service under penalty of law.

The auto insurance cliche is a non-starter. As it's been noted, driving is a privilege. If you do not participate you don't have to have it. The Health-Care law mandates that you, by virtue of being a citizen, MUST maintain insurance at a government controlled cost.

Shameful that folks do not have the vision, nor insight, to see this for what it really is....... as it impacts others who do not wish to be part of socialized medicine.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Even though I have 'decent' (for US) healthcare right now, I *want* to pay into a system so that others can also have that. I certainly have seen how tough it can be for people, and have gotten ripped off by hospitals in the past when times were a lot tougher for us. What I would like to see is what was brought up in the past. People who *want* to participate pay into a program based on income. Thos who don't, opt out. They simply can not use the system, and can continue on with what they are doing.

 

[Capvin]

As it is in society today, it is here also.... This is but one subject that will go on and on because it is driven by both sides of the old subject.....

"I want something and I want you to help pay for it".......

Buck up and stand on your own footing! If you want it, pay for it. If you are destitute you will be cared for. Don't demand that I participate in a system that will demand I buy a service under penalty of law.

The auto insurance cliche is a non-starter. As it's been noted, driving is a privilege. If you do not participate you don't have to have it. The Health-Care law mandates that you, by virtue of being a citizen, MUST maintain insurance at a government controlled cost.

Shameful that folks do not have the vision, nor insight, to see this for what it really is....... as it impacts others who do not wish to be part of socialized medicine.

Hey, for argument sake, I will agree with you. I like the fact that we dont pay for others. But, please, just give me an alternative idea to either a national mandate or individual mandate that everyone has to have health insurance. Your idea does not prevent people who get sick from going to the ER's and being treated and when that happens you do pay, but you pay more. Is it your idea that anyone that can not pay gets turned away. You mention destitute, how do you define it and how does one prove it. Someone, anyone, just give me one reasonable idea that would be able to take the place of the individual mandate. Giklevolk wants everyone to fend for themselves but gives no clue what to do with those who do not and continue to take advantage of the system. That is what has been happening and what is happening now. Just give me one reasonable alternative