Soft shelled eggs....

DarleneE

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My 15 mo old Barred Rock hen has started laying soft and very thin shelled eggs. I've been giving her Oyster Shell mixed in yogurt and Tums tablets crushed in yogurt PLUS there is ALWAYS Oyster Shell openly available to both my hens. I've been supplementing for about a week now and still the same. She acts perfectly normal, eating, drinking, fully active, etc. I cannot afford a vet visit right now as he wants $120 just to walk in the door!! That does NOT include any testing done or treatments!! My husband will just not allow me to take her. Can anyone help with any other suggestions?? Is it just too soon to see an improvement in just a week?? I WAS giving them alot of lettuce and shredded carrots and some fruits every evening before they went up to roost, and I've completely stopped that about 2-3 weeks ago, now giving them only layer feed. They DO have access to scratch however that I have in plastic coke bottles with little holes in them. They love kicking the bottles about and getting the scratch. I've just read that scratch can raise the phosphorus levels and thus inhibit the calcium from absorbing?? Is this correct?? I'm confused cause I read somewhere else that LOW Phosphorous could also cause this problem?? So how do you know?? Also heard D3 being too low is yet another problem!!?? I'm SO lost here!! I don't know what to do. Can anyone shed some light on this and tell me what to do?? I'm going to take away their treat bottles today, at this point cause I just don't know what to do?? Though I do just HATE taking them from them cause they enjoy playing with them so much.... esp my BR that's having the problem (which I guess COULD explain things maybe??) Perhaps she's just eating too much of the scratch and not enough of her layer feed?? I'm all guessed out here!! Please help me?? Thank you in advance.
 
Calcium is very important to the hen, and she mobilizes 47% of her body calcium to the eggshell. Oyster shells are good, and so are crushed egg shells. Make sure you add those to the normal feed, and make sure you also have grit, which is very important to digestion, and if neglected, can have one of the symptoms be soft-shelled eggs. Healthy greens are good, especially dandelion plants, which contains huge amounts of minerals and vitamins. Make sure the hens have a healthy diet, with not much treats like bread or potatoes. Also, check the feed nutrition. It should have, on average, 16% - 18% protein, 3% calcium (Ca), and 0.5% phosphorus (P). One week could be too short of time, but just be patient. Good luck!
 
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Hope your hen is doing better, just came across the thread. Recently started having this problem with one of my hens. Although I think mine was due to a change in feed, plus they do not seem to eat any of the offered oyster shell.

A friend of mine who has raised chickens most of her life and also does reptile rescue suggested using the calcium powder used for reptiles. When I was able to go to the pet store I found a calcium spray by Zilla that I ran by her before purchasing. I have been using it for about the past week and things seem to be improving, but I had also been mixing the oyster shell in with their feed. I spray some onto their scratch and some on the feed.

If you go with the spray, the spray pump has a tendency to clog. Just pull the tube out and use a toothpick to clear the powder that is clogging the spring.
 
I also have this problem with one of my barred rocks. She was given to me in December I am feeding a high quality layer pellet. I have a bucket of oyster shell out. I have cut way back on scratch. Only give the four birds a cup between them all in the morning. Also wondering what else I can do. They free range in a side yard but maybe I should put out a pail of grit.
 
You should provide grit if they are free-ranging or being given scratch, unless there are small rocks or sand available where they free range. Some feeds will state that you do not need to provide grit or oyster shell, but that is only if that is the only thing they are eating. My hens don't seem to touch the oyster shell or the large grit. Going to try them on chick grit since I have some on hand for my chicks. The feed I switched them to has the same percentage range for calcium in it, they just don't seem to be absorbing it as easily. The calcium spray seems to have helped, have not had another soft shell yet. However I will be getting the calcium powder next time, the sprayer clogs after 1-2 uses.
 
That sounds great except for the fact that too much calcium can also be bad, in fact it can even be worse I was told. So my problem with this is, how do we know how much to safely give them?? Believe me. I'm willing to try ANYTHING that'll help her, BUT I also do not want to push her then into another problem. Also I have a friend who has a chicken who is 7 yo now and has been laying soft shelled eggs since she was 1 yo.!!?? She's fine otherwise and seems healthy in all other ways??!! Isn't this odd?? I'd actually already reserved myself into thinking that this is was mine would probably end up doing until I read your post now. So question is this.. what dose do you give them?? What is the strength and the dosage I'd need to give her please?? And thank you so much for the info!! Oh, where are you buying it also??
 
I switched from a Purina brand feed to a semi-locally sourced feed that is soy-free and non-gmo. These hens have pretty much been on Dumor or Purina all their life, and I don't think they ever needed the oyster shell with those feeds. All of my hens eggs had begun to weaken (they always had shells harder than supermarket eggs), and one was laying eggs that were just the inner membrane. With adding the oyster shell to the feed the worst one started to lay eggs that had a super thin shell, so thin that it was already broken when I would go to collect them, but did not continue to improve. Since I realized the hens were having issues with the calcium and I was feeding the same brand feed to my chicks I started blending the chicks' feed with another brand of soy-free and non-gmo feed. I have not noticed any signs of calcium deficiency in the chicks. I plan to start blending the feeds for the hens as well, and will stop adding the calcium when I do to see if the soft shell problem reoccurs. So long as it does not happen on a regular basis I will only add the calcium when it is an active problem.

With the calcium spray I was doing 4-5 sprays on their feed once a day (I have 5 hens). Kept that up for about a week and a half. Then started spraying about every other day. Going to take it down to once a week. The spray has a minimum calcium value of 1700 ppm, that is from three different types of calcium. I started to see a vast improvement in the eggs after 3 days, still a weak shell but it made it out of the coop.

With the powder you could probably offer it free choice like you would the oyster shell. Mine won't touch the oyster shell, or I would have gone that route to solve this issue. I even tried mixing it in with the feed, the only stuff that they ending up eating was the really finely ground stuff, the larger bits were all left in the bottom of the feed dish. Tried that for a couple of weeks before resorting to the spray.

Birds are not all that different physiologically than reptiles, so just follow the dosing instructions on the powder or spray. Typically you would lightly coat the insects or other live food to be fed to the reptile. You do not want to do that to the feed, smaller bits mean more surface area that can be coated by the powder. If you are worried about overdosing them get some insect treats to coat with the calcium to start off with. There is probably a youtube video that will show how to dust crickets. Go for a coating about like fresh cinnamon and sugar donuts, not packaged powdered sugar donuts. You could also gut-load some mealworms or crickets with the calcium, or offer soldier fly larvae which are naturally higher in calcium. Gut-loading means feeding the calcium to the insect then feeding the insect to, in this case, chicken. You can always start off with once a week for a couple of weeks to see if there is improvement. If there is improvement stick to the once a week regimen until the shells are back to normal, then discontinue and dose again when the shells begin to weaken.

Another option you could try is grinding eggshells to offer free choice. I'm pretty sure that I have seen a post on here about doing that. With an existing soft shell problem I would mix it with the feed for awhile.

Since I plan to combine the hens in with the chicks in a new coop, in the future I will be offering either ground eggshells or calcium powder free choice. I won't be able to use a layer feed, and will be using a flock feed since I have roosters now. Will have to wait to see how the current hens' eggs do after this switch. If they go soft again I think the easiest way to get them calcium with be the gut-loaded insects for treats, that way I can more easily control which ones are being "force-fed" the calcium.

Hopefully all that helped to explain. If you still need clarification please ask.
 
Eliza1313,

Thank you SO much for taking the time to provide me with all this information. I sincerely appreciate it.

I do have a question. And a dumb one at that I'm sure, but I honestly don't understand and I apologize. My question is this... What type of insect do you "gut feed" and how do you go about getting them to EAT calcium?? Also WHAT calcium do you feed those insects?? Again I'm sorry to be so dumb but I'm really not at all familiar with this.

I am sincerely interested in trying this as I have two hens and only one is having this problem?? Isn't that odd that only one hen would be doing this as they both eat exactly the same layer feed, oyster shell available at all times to both and I give them back their egg shells although I've not been able to grind them up small enough because I don't have a coffee grinder or anything to do it with, though I'm in the process of getting a grinder now that I've learned the shells need to be ground very very small for them to eat. I didn't know this before either!! Duh!! ANYWAYS... yes I think it's so odd that only the one has the problem and I'd pretty much just accepted that it was not a calcium deficiency perhaps and instead a problem with the hen herself?? I still have my doubts about this but am willing to try this method as this way I can see to it that only she get the extra calcium.

So I really appreciate if you'll explain all this to me a little better!!?? And again THANK YOU for all your time!!
 

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