Sour crop

[shell3]

pwand yes think shes adjusting it. maybe from the procedure or maybe more blockage further down i cant feel anthing in there but food when i checked last but the morning will the teller,if it empties or not! its hard to tell if there was wood chip or not as you see from pic there was a lot of liquid! i had a poke around in it but
was hard to tell what most of it was!
ive tried making several bras but she reacted this way! i was hoping a shop bought one would be different . it makes no sense why this is happening!dhe just looses all coordination! idk!

 

[pwand]

Shell: she might have figured you out knowing you will take the bra off. If your feeling there is no weight to it, put her in a small area and give her more time to adjust to it. Hopefully her crop will tighten back up.

I guess the theory I have read is out the window if they are pooping, there is no blockage consider Boombie had blockage. This would probably make more since if its on going there is something still in there.

How is hubby doing with that coop?

Chicklemomy: if your feeling the sour crop is early caught, you can use 1tbsp backing soda to one gallon (4 liters) of water, normally clears in a few days, if not, the preferred choice of treatment is vet Nystatin. Not the stuff from the grocery store.

 

[chickiemomy]

hi guys thank you all

well bombie had a quite unrestful night. slept on my chest most of it! she would be asleep then suddenly jump bolt upright and start neck bobbing also very gurgly inside. i managed to get bra back on thou still not convinced its right. just doing her some breky and will report later once ive checked her over and fed her xx

chickiemomy- thank you for your input and i didnt sense any tone in your post at all

just good opinions.so dont worry all advice and opinions are very welcome here

fermenting- i guess what your saying is the food ferments anyway so if that parts already done the food moves thru faster? yes i can see the benefit in that but just wasnt sure about adding fermented food to an already fermentdd crop thought it would give the meds a harder 'kill zone' but idk enough on that at all.
antibiotics- i do agree with you here i always get thrush from them and that was my thinking too. not to mention they kill good flora in the gut and can cause loss of appitite. however all i can say is the vet wanted her to have them and i felt his advice was better informed than my own! i didnt actually give her the last two prescriptions thou ss i couldnt see why she needed them. no bacterial inf.
you did well reading all this ! lol it has been a very lengthy process! thank you for joining in and for your well wishes for my bombie xxx

o absolutely- not saying to go against the vet -- really! -- but now that she's had so much antibiotics, seems like you could encourage the re-introduction of good bacteria to her gut - help her regain her good digestive juices and health.

definitely not saying to give her anything the vet, or you, aren't comfortable with -- I know some others are uncomfortable with this - you have to make your own judgement -- but I give my chicks about 1 tablespoon each of good yogurt, plain NO SUGAR - no fruit, full fat, live bacteria - yogurt -- every day. They've been getting it for about 6 months & are thriving. I also supplement with a good pre-biotic - but that would likely be harder to find for you - don't know if it's marketed, or under what name it would be marketed in your neck of the woods. otherwise, the fermented food introduces the good bacteria back into her gut as well. You need to use unpasteurized vinegar - with the mother in it - to get it started- here it's sold under the brand name of Bragg's. May be other brands, just Bragg's is what I know of.

Hoping she's back in the pink soon - no matter what route you take! -- thanks for the reassurance on my posts - sometimes I'm too short with my explanations, and unintentionally offend - am trying to be better!

 

[chickiemomy]

Shell: she might have figured you out knowing you will take the bra off. If your feeling there is no weight to it, put her in a small area and give her more time to adjust to it. Hopefully her crop will tighten back up.

I guess the theory I have read is out the window if they are pooping, there is no blockage consider Boombie had blockage. This would probably make more since if its on going there is something still in there.

How is hubby doing with that coop?

Chicklemomy: if your feeling the sour crop is early caught, you can use 1tbsp backing soda to one gallon (4 liters) of water, normally clears in a few days, if not, the preferred choice of treatment is vet Nystatin. Not the stuff from the grocery store.

thx pwand - will pass that on to my brother --

any thoughts on how to prevent? -- my chicks are in great health, but I feed them well. Mostly layer feed, supplement with scratch & mealworms for an afternoon treat, some scraps & kitchen produce, a little yogurt. etc,etc.... yes they are spoiled.

I'm thinking my brother was feeding his chicks too much refined starch - bread & pasta - which the chicks love, but I hear it can cause trouble with sour crop.

Bombie had a blockage - which not sure how to really prevent - except to avoid things that might trigger?, especially for those individual chicks that are susceptible. I have straw in my chick run right now & know they do eat some one occasion - but wasn't too worried - am now second guessing??? I normally have sand, topped with a product called PDZ - zeolite, which deactivates the ammonia in the poop. But this winter has been so soggy, the sand seemed to stay damp forever - even tho the run is covered - well you know - you have our weather too - wet side of WA state - similar to both Vancouver Island & England, from what I've heard. (Want to go to England in the worst way - but that's another off-topic subject!)

boy I sure would rather not have to go thru treating! sounds like a nightmare!

 

[shell3]

hubbys given up for the night get finished tom now but bombie was shaking loads so shes indoors again with blankets. shes sleeping in with us tonight.
im def getting some probiotics but gonna avoid yoghurt just cos im so careful now with food.
and yes pwand she still pooped but some foodwas getting throu so maybe partial block. guess if they are impacted they wouldnt poop.
shes eating and drinking. crop feels soft from soft food. but quite neat .not hanging down. just keeping food in small ammounts for now .

 

[pwand]

thx pwand - will pass that on to my brother --

any thoughts on how to prevent? -- my chicks are in great health, but I feed them well.  Mostly layer feed, supplement with scratch & mealworms for an afternoon treat, some scraps & kitchen produce, a little yogurt.  etc,etc....  yes they are spoiled.

I'm thinking my brother was feeding his chicks too much refined starch - bread & pasta - which the chicks love, but I hear it can cause trouble with sour crop.

Bombie had a blockage - which not sure how to really prevent - except to avoid things that might trigger?, especially for those individual chicks that are susceptible.  I have straw in my chick run right now & know they do eat some one occasion - but wasn't too worried - am now second guessing???  I normally have sand, topped with a product called PDZ - zeolite, which deactivates the ammonia in the poop.  But this winter has been so soggy, the sand seemed to stay damp forever - even tho the run is covered - well you know - you have our weather too - wet side of WA state - similar to both Vancouver Island & England, from what I've heard.  (Want to go to England in the worst way - but that's another off-topic subject!)

boy I sure would rather not have to go thru treating! sounds like a nightmare!

How old are the chicks? What I do here for the run is call a tree trimming company and get wood chops from them for free, I ask for no cedar in it. This works for our rainy weather we get. Inside my coop I have 2by 2ft cement slabs, normally I would have straw on it, however, this time with my new ready to lay hens, I put hay in there, they were eating it, and I'm now also dealing with sour crop. It started as impact crop. It's a nightmare.

 

[pwand]

hubbys given up for the night get finished tom now but bombie was shaking loads so shes indoors again with blankets. shes sleeping in with us tonight.
im def getting some probiotics but gonna avoid yoghurt just cos im so careful now with food.
and yes pwand she still pooped but some foodwas getting throu so maybe partial block. guess if they are impacted they wouldnt poop.
shes eating and drinking. crop feels soft from soft food. but quite neat .not hanging down. just keeping food in small ammounts for now .

I wounded if she had aspirated when they were cleaning out her crop. Hopefully tomorrow she will have stopped shaking her head. She may not need her bra after all, she will probably firm up.

 

[chickiemomy]

pwand - my chicks were born first of last may - let's see - 9 months or so?? they are big girls - 2 black australorps, 2 buckeyes & I have one gold sex-link left (coyote, or maybe bobcat - took the other GSL a couple of weeks ago - middle of day, 20 feet from house - have ramped up predator protection for daylight foraging since then!)

I have a ton of wood chips from tree trim in our yard - mostly hemlock - they loved to forage around in the pile before their forage area became limited (by me!) due to the above mentioned predators. Hadn't thought of using that for bedding - but don't know why not?

right now, below the straw is about 6 inches deep sand & PDZ - I had initially thought that with a cover it would stay dry enough - but you know - we rain horizontally here - sigh... Planned to move the straw out this spring & resume sand & PDZ cuz it's easy to keep cleaned up.

think straw is a potential issue? - they are big girls - & are definitely not produce starved - so not driven to eat, other than it's around, I guess.

 

[chickiemomy]

pwand - just reread your post -- so your problems started with hay? - but you had straw before & no issues???

 

[pwand]

pwand - just reread your post -- so your problems started with hay? - but you had straw before & no issues???

That's correct.