Splash Crele?

[Sonoran Silkies]

Quote:
Crele is Black Breasted Red (Duck-wing) + Barring

Dom (Dominique) as in Gamefowl is more a wider range of Barred color combination.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...=1t:429,r:1,s:18&tx=76&ty=84&biw=1432&bih=648

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:36&biw=1432&bih=648

http://connect.in.com/dom-gamefowl/photos-gamefowl-014-1e7c64c58cdf69dc.html

http://connect.in.com/dom-gamefowl/photos-domroundhead-48522b484a8f77be.html#image_button

http://connect.in.com/dom-gamefowl/photos-dom-b8e4c1e28a4ab67c.html#image_button


Chris

Gamefowl variety colouring always seems to have much wider range than APA/ABA variety colouring. Never heard of Dom as a colour, but I am sure that there are a lot of gamefowl varieties that I am not very aware of. Anyways, if I did hear "Dom" or especially "dominique" I would likely think the breed, so in entering the text for you add, I would list the variety as Chris has "dom as in gamefowl."

 

[buffalogal]

Quote:
Okay, that's what was rattling around in the back of my mind; crele is a two, actually three color bird like a BBred or a duckwing with barring, "dom" or the "dominique" pattern is just cuckoo barring over (or would have been) a single colored blue or black or gold bird.

So he's a blue crele, whether or not he's a 'splash" is up for debate.

 

[Chris09]

Quote:
Crele is Black Breasted Red (Duck-wing) + Barring

Dom (Dominique) as in Gamefowl is more a wider range of Barred color combination.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...=1t:429,r:1,s:18&tx=76&ty=84&biw=1432&bih=648

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:17,s:36&biw=1432&bih=648

http://connect.in.com/dom-gamefowl/photos-gamefowl-014-1e7c64c58cdf69dc.html

http://connect.in.com/dom-gamefowl/photos-domroundhead-48522b484a8f77be.html#image_button

http://connect.in.com/dom-gamefowl/photos-dom-b8e4c1e28a4ab67c.html#image_button


Chris

Gamefowl variety colouring always seems to have much wider range than APA/ABA variety colouring. Never heard of Dom as a colour, but I am sure that there are a lot of gamefowl varieties that I am not very aware of. Anyways, if I did hear "Dom" or especially "dominique" I would likely think the breed, so in entering the text for you add, I would list the variety as Chris has "dom as in gamefowl."

Dom (Dominique) has been around for some time in many breeds, most of the breeds just switched to term Cuckoo and cleaned the color up.
Ever the ASoP states under Plymouth Rocks, "Dominique male used was not the American or rose comb Dominique male which became a Standard breed in 1847 but a single combed, hawk-colored fowl commonly found in that locality"

Here is a link with some nice reading on the name Dominique.
http://www.dominiquechicken.com/Dominique_Games.html

Chris

 

[RAREROO]

How many generations removed from the Leghorn cross is the bird and what color was the leghorn used ? If it was white then it would be Dominant White and Heterozygous Dominant White can often be confused with splash as it is a cleaner white that the white areas of a splash bird, but does have the black blotches like the whites. So if these are a few generations removed, the white colored ones may still be Het Dom. Whites if a White Leghorn was the one used.

But either way, the main bird you have in question only has the white areas on the wings and tails and is showing a darker color ( either Blue or Black) So I'm gonna have to agree with Chris that the bird is more like color of the Dom American Games becuase if he was Crele with either Splash or Dom White, he would essentially like a Red Pyle with just the barring in the read Pyle areas and the rest of the body with the breast and all would be solid white colored from the Splash or Dom White.

 

[buffalogal]

Quote:

~ Polo as a young cockerel~

These are just F2 crosses from a Genuine Mexican game over a solid white Leghorn hen. Although I keep other breeds, there is nothing else in the mix, they're all descend from that original pair. The F1s included one red (orange) shouldered cock, and one white/erminette hen with a salmon tinged breast. The rest were erminette (white with tiny flecks), and one solid white. The hatch that produced the cockerel I was originally asking about also produced one erminette bird. (the rest of the eggs in that clutch were replaced by me) The last hatch threw black, erminette, a blotchy splash that was never very thrifty, and two blue barred, one possibly blue barred splash. I doubt I'll take the line breeding any further, but it was interesting to see what came up..

Quote:
I finally have this cockerel locked up, so now I can get a better picture to pick your brains with tomorrow.

 

[Chris09]

Your original bird in question would be a Dom pattern.

The hen you were talking about that is white hen with a salmon breast, do you have a picture of her? I think she might be a Pyle.

Chris

 

[RAREROO]

These are just F2 crosses from a Genuine Mexican game over a solid white Leghorn hen. Although I keep other breeds, there is nothing else in the mix, they're all descend from that original pair. The F1s included one red (orange) shouldered cock, and one white/erminette hen with a salmon tinged breast. The rest were erminette (white with tiny flecks), and one solid white. The hatch that produced the cockerel I was originally asking about also produced one erminette bird. (the rest of the eggs in that clutch were replaced by me) The last hatch threw black, erminette, a blotchy splash that was never very thrifty, and two blue barred, one possibly blue barred splash. I doubt I'll take the line breeding any further, but it was interesting to see what came up..

Those are typical color patterns from crossing with white leghorn hens being the WL hens are Black under Dom White. The Red Shouldered roo and the hen with the gold in the breasts are just showing Red leakage in the same place that they would have the red leakage if they were crossed with a black breed instead of a white leghorn, but the dom white covers the black and only lets the red come through. The ones that werent showing any red would have been pure silver gened so I'm guessing your Mexican Game roo was a Blue Barred Golden Duckwing color that would be split for both Siver and Gold genes correct ?.......which means he would have been Dom colored since the roo that Chris posted looks basically like a blue barred golden Duckwing. And the ones that were "erminette" as you say, the black spots would have just been from being Heterozygous Dominant White, I believer ermine has do to with the Silver Columbian color pattern correct ? Which is a specific pattern and the black spots on the het dom. whites are just random.​

 

[buffalogal]

Rareroo, Chris, really, you guys are great.
Quote:
Oh dear, I'm thinking this is like the trick where you pick a card, put it back in the deck, then the Magician selects a card himself and asks "Is this the card?" Well, um, no. (ducking)

The Mexican Game was the BBred in the picture above. However, Martin did have some solid black birds, some that I recognized as golden duckwing, and quite a few "grey" bodied hens all running around. Of the two pullets that originally hatched with him, one was white with a pretty, peachy salmon colored head and neck, and the other had a yellow head and neck and grey (not blue) body. I lost both pullets before I could get any eggs from them, but the point is that while he was just BBred, there is no telling what *he* was out of.

Quote:
I'm just using the term "erminette" to distinguish from the splash color which has all over blotches of color on a white bird, or maybe it's blotches of white on a colored bird? I'm thinking of the small black spot on an Ermine's tail. The idea of "leaky" red is interesting, as that's how I would describe some of these birds; they are white, withrandom specks of black or blue, with orange "bleeding" through in places. One of our goats turned up with a badly broken leg, and we spent -all- day taking it to the state veterinary college for a cast, but I will post picture of these birds by tomorrow evening before I get them all sold.