~~~SSA Hatching Thread 2011~~~

[Brindlebtch]

I do so enjoys cake decorating!

 

[acid_chipmunk]

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Brin, you're bringing cake to Lovins?????

 

[Muggsmagee]

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Yes it WEILL!

 

[aceschix]

Hey Muggs...empty your PM mail box!!!

 

[sonew123]

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Yes it WEILL!

dont start with me woman!!!

 

[Muggsmagee]

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I need a PF membership! This business of deleting mail is ridiculous!

 

[big medicine]

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Yup that looks like a good example of hard vulture hocks. It is allowed in most other countries I believe, but is a DQ here. There are multiple genes involved with leg/foot feathering so there can be different degrees, some are softer feathered, some cochins have the soft hocks, but with their fluff they can kind of pull it off, sometimes. The tricky part with vulture hocks is that it is a recessive trait, meaning a bird needs to have two copies of the required genes for it to show, which also means normal hocked birds may be carrying the genes with out any outward sign, can remained hidden for several generations and then reappear. The original pullet that was the start of my silver birds carried it, a gift from her Cochin heritage. I still get the occasional bird that shows too much hock, (your pullets being evidence). I would not ever consider breeding from such bird as it has to pass on a copy to all it's chicks, and have not kept even a slightly overly hocked bird for many, many, years. If it was a dominant trait it would be much easier to tell, and remove from the gene pool.

I've been cleaning out my mail box, but it keeps filling up again, made some more room.

I find the possum cake disturbing, I think it would look good laying feet up on a yellow line.

 

[Brindlebtch]

I expect a lot of folks would find possum cake disturbing! Its pretty realistic looking, for possum cake.

Thanks for the explanation.

BUT if you imported eggs of a color variety of Brahma from overseas, you would never be able to really get rid of the vh? What would you do if all the roos you hatched has vh? Out cross to another color without vh and then work back toward the desired color and pattern? Or get another batch of eggs and hope for a roo without vh?

eta: you could make possum cake dead with feet up and decorated with a tire track. But I really don't think dead possum cake would be very appetizing. Their little feet look like human hands! I like my possum cake alive and kicking!

 

[sonew123]

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Yup that looks like a good example of hard vulture hocks. It is allowed in most other countries I believe, but is a DQ here. There are multiple genes involved with leg/foot feathering so there can be different degrees, some are softer feathered, some cochins have the soft hocks, but with their fluff they can kind of pull it off, sometimes. The tricky part with vulture hocks is that it is a recessive trait, meaning a bird needs to have two copies of the required genes for it to show, which also means normal hocked birds may be carrying the genes with out any outward sign, can remained hidden for several generations and then reappear. The original pullet that was the start of my silver birds carried it, a gift from her Cochin heritage. I still get the occasional bird that shows too much hock, (your pullets being evidence). I would not ever consider breeding from such bird as it has to pass on a copy to all it's chicks, and have not kept even a slightly overly hocked bird for many, many, years. If it was a dominant trait it would be much easier to tell, and remove from the gene pool.

I've been cleaning out my mail box, but it keeps filling up again, made some more room.

I find the possum cake disturbing, I think it would look good laying feet up on a yellow line.

wow I almost thought that was his wing!!!!

 

[big medicine]

If all you breeders showed vulture hocks, (never say never), but yes it would be impossible to breed that out. It would be like breeding all recessive white birds and expecting to get colored chicks. If you outcrossed to clean hocked birds all the F1s would likely look ok but all would still carry a copy of the genes for VH. If you kept test mateing, and culling carryers, and kept at it long enough it would be possible, but not easy.

Like you can make possum look good, and scattering a couple little ones around would be a nice touch also.

I'm going to go out and bring in a couple cart loads of wood, sounds like this will be our last dry weather for a while.