Such thing as honest business deal anymore?

[Mrs MIA]

Bummer!!

I guess there's always a risk, but like you, there are a lot of us that still try to conduct business with as much honesty, integrity and pleasure as we can.

Don't give up the faith!

 

[hatchaholic]

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Yeah, I know this, but there's the whole "trusting" issue. I've talked to all parties by phone, and sent emails. I plan to wait until after Thanksgiving (snail mail) to see if this person submits paperwork. After that, I don't see where I have a choice but to demand a refund. It is just very hard to take care of an animal daily (no matter whether chicken, goat, pig, or what) and not get attached. Especially with small children. But, I can't afford to keep it if it is not registered...

Thanks, ya'll for letting me vent. I'm feeling a little better all ready.

 

[patandchickens]

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I've been in the horse industry for years, so without knowing exactly what experience you're talking about, BELIEVE ME I know what you're talking about <g>

But you know what, I don't honestly think there's any too much more intentional premeditated shadiness in livestock sales than in anything else in life (and I don't think there's as much in anything else in life as it might seem)

I think an awful lot of what comes across as flat-out heartless conniving dishonesty is more like some combination of ignorance, optimism, choosing to believe what's most personally convenient, lack of interest in thinking about the larger implications of one's behavior, and reaction to the percieved dishonest/unfairness of typical customers.

Usually, I think the person who says "oh, he's never ever been lame" when it turns out the horse had a bad bowed tendon, or "gee, he's never bucked once for us!" when he crowhops every time you ask for a canter, or "sure I'll take him back and refund your money if it doesn't work out for you" when, in the end, they won't, are just looking at the world through personal rosy-colored glasses. They WANT those things to be the case, so they mentally define things in a way that makes 'em more or less true, you know?

Of course there are some stone-cold cynical liars out there, but there are in ANY walk of life, especially anything involve sales or entrepreneurship.

So personally, I very frankly do NOT trust the person I'm dealing with to necessarily be telling me the whole honest truth. First, because they tend not to always KNOW the whole honest truth, and second because I'd rather err on the side of careful, especially where animals, money, human safety and communicable diseases are concerned

I tend to approach livestock sales with a very caveat emptor, double-check, nothing-for-granted, written contract kind of way. Thus far I have not yet been badly rooked, although presumably it can happen someday.

I don't hold any ill-will towards sellers I'm not trusting... it is a very evenhanded unbiased thing, no grudges, no dislike, no hard feelings in my heart, you know? I just don't put much stock in anything that I can't verify for myself or stipulate in a sales contract.

I find it removes most of the stress and potential for getting upset

JMHO, sorry you had whatever bad experience you had (e.t.a -- sounds like you have recieved a useful education in buying not-yet-registered stock: PERSONALLY VERIFY that the stud fee has been paid, the parents are registered, and the animal in question is registerable, and when deciding whether the animal is a reasonable buy remember that papers in the hand are worth two in the bush so to speak

)

Good luck,

Pat

 

[Rhett&SarahsMom]

I hear ya. I ordered what is supposed to be the very BEST most AWESOME cupcake in the world. Paid, and I kid you all not $7.25 for SHIPPING! Priority USPS. Not only has it been 4 days since it was shipped. But now I have to pick it up at the post office tomorrow and pay ANOTHER $2.05 BTW the cupcake was $6.25

I dont care how good this thing is. Unless I get a refund of $2.05 from them I am never doing business with them again.

 

[hatchaholic]

It's a shame, but it is hard to find such a thing as customer service anymore, no matter what you are dealing with.

 

[cjeanean]

I dunno, I tend to trust the BYC ppl without even thinking. I guess I think that if they can be part of such an awesome community they gotta be good ppl. I am trying desperately to break myself of this mindset before I do any transactions. Not to say BYC isn't awesome, and that the people aren't great, but there's always a few rotten apples in the bottom of the barrel (PurpleChicken, I'm talking about YOU!!!

j/k) Anyways, hope everything works out, and I guess everyone's gonna have to be registered with the Better Business Bureau from now on

 

[onthespot]

One time I sold a dog with papers "pending" and the lady who I bred my female to her male had a heart attack and was at death's door for over six months, finally got out of the hospital, took me something like over a year to straighten it out. The buyer finally got her papers on her dog, about the time she was trying to sell HER puppies.

That was my worst story ever that I was the person stuck in the middle trying to make the paperwork happened. Plus AKC lost the first set of papers I sent in, and had I moved to another town, changed jobs and phone numbers since over a year ago when the dog was sold... The only thing the same was my email. Took a while to straighten out and ended up costing me a bundle to catch up old paperwork, but it finally got all straightened out.

Sometiems you just can't make it happen any faster. I learned several good lessons too from that fiasco. Not every time a paperwork SNAFU is all about greedy people and trying to "get one over" on someone. Just keep a pecking away at her. Be the squeaky wheel. Flat out ask her if she has the $ to finish the registration or not. If not, you may want to kick down the registration fees just to make it happen, if you really want that exact animal and absolutely must have the registration papers.

 

[seedcorn]

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Use to sell registered bird dogs, but 2 things I find interesting.

1) If they need $$ to register the animal, what did they do w/the $$ they got from selling the pups???? Sold the animal and spent the $$ before fulfilling their part of the deal.

2) You should never charge registered price for an animal that is not registered. Want to sell registered stock? Get it registered.

3) Buy non-registered stock, enjoy the headaches you just bought into. If words were $$, I'd be rich. Takes real $$ to buy.

End of rant.......

 

[patandchickens]

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It isn't always the seller's fault, especially if they were not the owner at the time of breeding.

I know someone who bought a mare in foal -- did confirm verbally with stallion station that this mare was bred to the stud supposedly the father of the foal -- but it turned out the stud fee had not been paid in full and thus they couldn't get the paperwork needed to register the horse without either somehow dragooning the previous owner into paying up, or forking over the difference themselves. Similarly if the papers at time of breeding have been lost, it can require legwork and prodding to find the relevant person and extract a suitable signature etc from them.

I think you will also find that almost universally, people selling a registration-in-progress or eligible-for-registration animal will tell you, if backed into a corner, that they feel the price already reflects the status of the registration. In some cases this is even true <g>

2) You should never charge registered price for an animal that is not registered. Want to sell registered stock? Get it registered.

Well yeah, but your #3 is at least as important-- if you pay registered price for an animal that is not yet registered, you just know there is some possibility of this sort of thing happening.

Big believer in caveat emptor, tho certianly with sympathy for the original poster and hoping things get sorted out,

Pat​

 

[seedcorn]

It isn't always the seller's fault, especially if they were not the owner at the time of breeding.

Yes, it is UNLESS they tell the buyer that they don't control the registration of all the animals and one of the animals involved is not registered. If you don't control all animals, then you are promising something that you don't control & may not be able to deliver on. If buyer knows all this and still buys the animal, then they get what they paid for.