Sulmtalers Thread

[GabrielBane]

The one that is all silver and black do you still have him? If so, would you be willing to sell him?

I missed this somehow; I did keep him but I am planning on using him for my breeding plans this year. After he breeds and I need to rotate boys, I wouldn't mind passing him along to your flock.

 

[FaerieChicken]

They do not cross, you get one or the other, kinda like Labradors... There is no such thing as a duckwing Sulmtaler.....if you study the females in each case you will see that they are indeed, Wheaten...colored body, dark tail. Looking at the males of the chicken world, the black breasted red, the partridge and the wheaten males all look the same. Incidently, the Duckwing and the wheaten males also look alot alike........... But that is where it stops. ALL those coloration's females are different... Here is photos: RED WHEATEN COCKEREL SULMTALER: RED WHEATEN HEN SULMTALER: SILVER WHEATEN COCKEREL SULMTALER: HEN REAR END at the top is a SILVER WHEATEN HEN, the bottom is a RED WHEATEN HEN SULMTALER, notice one hen is silvery white-ish, one is orangey-tannish ? BOTH HAVE BLACK TAILS.................WHICH IS 100% WHEATEN characteristics. THIS is a hen PARTRIDGE, notice her coloration & pattern....(she has a saddle on) This is her full brother, a PARTRIDGE Chantecler.........now if you flip up & down you will notice that the RED WHEATEN SULMTALER & the PARTRIDGE CHANTECLER and about the same coloration, BUT their females are the Phenotype which differs. Yup, even the Partridge Chantecler looks like it has a duck wing on its wing! THAT is not what makes a duck wing pattern. Here is another...Black Breasted Red Game.............NOTICE the female...the males all look the same, it is the females who have the characteristics of the color pattern...yet the male Black breasted red looks like the Red Wheaten Sulmtaler AND the Partridge Chantecler...............and the photo below are not my birds.........the rest are.

These are WHEATEN MARANS: Once again notice the male is a black breasted red bird and the hen is colored the same as the Wheaten Sulmtaler.

THIS is a SILVER DUCKWING Wellsummer Cockerel: How do we know ? Cuz we look at his female counterpart, who shows the phenotype.

THESE are SILVER DUCKWING WELLSUMMER HENS:

They are gorgeous.....and notice the FEMALE is the one who states what coloration the chicken is....not the male. And thanks to @fakokoWV as these 2 photos of SILVER DUCKWING birds are hers.and they are awesome ! I love their salmon breast. Now, when your Sulmtaler hen looks like these SILVER DUCKWING hens, then you will have silver duckwing sulmtalers. But so far, all Sulmtalers are Wheaten. Red Wheaten or Silver Wheaten...............but Wheaten all the same. OK...off my soap box...but just telling so many people over & over...and GFF farms web site is wrong ! They are Wheatens and Silver Wheatens, not duckwing, or the hens would be duckwing like these beauties above.

Oh my gosh, I love these welsummer! I have a hen that almost looks like them, but she is silver.penciled rock cross lt brn leghorn

 

[FaerieChicken]

I mean because of the hackling, breast color, and the body being silver

 

[faykokoWV]

Oh my gosh, I love these welsummer! I have a hen that almost looks like them, but she is silver.penciled rock cross lt brn leghorn

I had to laugh... I haven't been on here in months, but I open the thread and what do I see? My Welsummers

I am actually in the process of developing a LF silver duckwing welsummer, by crossing the birds pictured with my LF partridge. I started by putting a partridge male over the silver female and the result was gold males recessive for silver and females that were partridge color recessive for silver.

Wheaten variations don't work the same way as partridge.

 

[Chickielady]

It isn't an early death. When I did the eggtopsy they were fully developed. I don't know what it was.
Well they don't even pip internally. The ones that do are usually just fine. They just die before they have a chance. Also I live at high elevation so they need more air than do at lower ones.

I agree with the need for air.
All my books insist we open more air holes at lockdown, regardless of what kind of incubator you have.
The need for air is so important, that if your power goes out, you should never cover the incubator to seal heat in.
Better, they say (Stromberg's stresses this) is to leave the incubator alone, even if the temp drops, the babies may hatch a day late, but at least they had air.

Have you ever marked the hatching eggs of the date they were laid ?
Then if it is just the older eggs you would know what the issue is ?
Age related I mean.

Wish I could help more !

 

[Chickielady]

I mean because of the hackling, breast color, and the body being silver

Minus the penciling, yes, she has the silver coloration, and salmon breast.
She is beautiful !

You sure the Leghorn wasn't a silver duckwing leghorn ?

Silver Duckwing Leghorn, once again, NOTE the hen's coloration:

Brown Leghorn:

Again, not my birds, but images used for educational purposes only.

 

[Chickielady]

I had to laugh... I haven't been on here in months, but I open the thread and what do I see? My Welsummers

I am actually in the process of developing a LF silver duckwing welsummer, by crossing the birds pictured with my LF partridge. I started by putting a partridge male over the silver female and the result was gold males recessive for silver and females that were partridge color recessive for silver.

Wheaten variations don't work the same way as partridge.

Glad you could stop in !
And your birds are beautiful !

 

[MontainBourbons]

Here is 4 of my sulmtalers eating fodder. They are waiting patiently for all of the snow outside to melt. That rooster is the best I've had, so nice to the hens and fertility is practically 100%.

 

[Sylvester017]

Here is 4 of my sulmtalers eating fodder. They are waiting patiently for all of the snow outside to melt. That rooster is the best I've had, so nice to the hens and fertility is practically 100%.

Good breed for snow country. They'd swelter in our humid SoCal climate. So glad you are getting enjoyment w/ Sulm's -- very pretty birds!

 

[cluckandcrow]

How hard is it to grow that fodder and what do you use. Thank you.