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Kanchii I think you are a bit confused about what is a original fowl variety and what is a forced cross breed. Please see RJF and tommys discussion in this forum for the confusion people have about chickens and original fowls who have evolved in a specific area.
As my sign off states I do not consider the Sumatra a chicken; instead the real bird who evolved in Sumatra is a separate and identifiable fowl. Just as is the Red Jungle Fowl who adapted to different regions on the continent or the Gray Jungle Fowl who also evolved in that area.
From Chicken in Wikipedia we are told domestication of the chicken was under way in Vietnam over 10,000 years ago. Some genetic research has suggested that the bird likely descended from both Red and the Grey Junglefowl (G. sonneratii). Although hybrids of both wild types usually tend toward sterility, recent genetic work has revealed that the genotype for yellow skin present in the domestic fowl is not present in what is otherwise its closest kin, the Red Junglefowl. It is deemed most likely, then, that the yellow skin trait in domestic birds originated in the Grey Junglefowl. The true Sumatra has black skin and that characteristics is purely a trait of that fowl and no others, just as is the multiple spurs only found on the Sumatra fowls. These facts alone should be enough to see that the Sumatra Fowl is its own independent type of bird unrelated to anything you call chicken.
If we had some real genetics evaluation on these three of types of birds I am sure that the varieties can be separated into three individual birds. Both of them derived from prior ancestor like my pic on the left shows.
Crossing the original fowl with other chickens and calling the resultant bird by the original fowl name is a fraud. It is not that fowl anymore than genetically modified corn or soybeans are still the original corn or soybeans. There are no Blue or Speckled Sumatra birds; there are only Black Sumatras who have evolved through eons naturally.
I need only Real Sumatras and no illegitimate crossbred birds calling themselves a Sumatra
As my sign off states I do not consider the Sumatra a chicken; instead the real bird who evolved in Sumatra is a separate and identifiable fowl. Just as is the Red Jungle Fowl who adapted to different regions on the continent or the Gray Jungle Fowl who also evolved in that area.
From Chicken in Wikipedia we are told domestication of the chicken was under way in Vietnam over 10,000 years ago. Some genetic research has suggested that the bird likely descended from both Red and the Grey Junglefowl (G. sonneratii). Although hybrids of both wild types usually tend toward sterility, recent genetic work has revealed that the genotype for yellow skin present in the domestic fowl is not present in what is otherwise its closest kin, the Red Junglefowl. It is deemed most likely, then, that the yellow skin trait in domestic birds originated in the Grey Junglefowl. The true Sumatra has black skin and that characteristics is purely a trait of that fowl and no others, just as is the multiple spurs only found on the Sumatra fowls. These facts alone should be enough to see that the Sumatra Fowl is its own independent type of bird unrelated to anything you call chicken.
If we had some real genetics evaluation on these three of types of birds I am sure that the varieties can be separated into three individual birds. Both of them derived from prior ancestor like my pic on the left shows.
Crossing the original fowl with other chickens and calling the resultant bird by the original fowl name is a fraud. It is not that fowl anymore than genetically modified corn or soybeans are still the original corn or soybeans. There are no Blue or Speckled Sumatra birds; there are only Black Sumatras who have evolved through eons naturally.
I need only Real Sumatras and no illegitimate crossbred birds calling themselves a Sumatra
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