Sumatra Thread!

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

haha same here Michael, I gave up on it a while back... I love the breed and love the sharing of information and chatting, but this thread got to where it was always just a fight seemed like. I still check in obviously, but just haven't had the need to post in it any more due to what you just said. Seems everyone has their own version of the breed , which is fine, but want to argue about who is right and who is wrong... Lifes to short for all that. Pretty much the standard is the standard it's written down for every one who wants to to read. . If you gone breed , show, and judge by it you need to stick with it., period, no personal twist or interpritations of it... Personally I do neither. I breed for what I personally like in a bird, but that pretty much fits the standard in most ways anyway.... But that's my way, not right not wrong, it's just what I like....It's a shame we cant all enjoy each others birds for what they are, beautiful...

 

[cubakid]

You know what I find sad is that I give good advise on what to look for in a good Sumatra and I give good info on some great Sumatra breeders out there and no one from the beginning was willing to believe me. The only one who did believe me was boggy bottom bantams and look at what he got! That hen is is a really nice hen. yes the rooster may look game like but what do you expect to see a totaly perfect chicken? come on people! And another thing I had informed everybody about was how to improve on the pale yellow color on the bottoms of the feet and yet people freaked out befor I had the chance to explain. If you are reading this right now boggy bottom bantams, James was the one who told me how he made thouse feet so yellow oreange. did he tell you by any chance? If he did'ent I would be Happy to tell you.

I don't see why anyone would put down any information you put out there. Everyone here has great advice, but opinions are what cause all the hullabaloo. I know that the larger birds are not getting DQ'd in the shows, but that doesn't mean you throw out the weights listed in the standard. I have a similar problem with my Cubalayas... The birds were originally only 4 1/2 lbs at maturity, standard weight lists 6lbs. But I didn't keep breeding them that way when I was winning top awards all the time. I have since brought the birds up to 5 1/2 lbs which is a big improvement over three years, with inbred lines and limited resources. I'm not saying, nor is anyone else that you fail as a breeder. We're not condemning your birds either, just trying to help you understand something that may come back to bite people in the rear when they realize that their birds are way overweight. Please try to breed towards the titles that you want but understand that they are just titles. Being known as a good breeder should come way before being recognized as a master exhibitor or master breeder. Just something for you to think about.
Zach

 

[NYREDS]

You must learn you can't argue with fact, and its a fact written in the standard. I already said that starving a bird to 5 pounds is not the same as having a bird in good condition at 5 lbs and 5 pounds is over 3 pounds more than the bantam that is under 2 pounds (in case you didn't know it's 16 oz to a pound) so so a bantam cock is only suppose to weigh 1 1/2 pounds so I would think that that is a pretty significant difference and no one has mistaken my Sumatras for bantams, aren't you the one that said mine had to long of leg? ( the one I use for my pic) so they are definitely taller than the bantams and weigh about triple what my bantams do. My birds are 4 to 6 pounds, which is what the standard calls for, I have a couple of hens that are probably over the weight as well, but I don't say that is right, because the standard says it's not right, but I am not going to go round and round with you. You can breed them however you want to, I am just saying a 7 pound bird according to the Standard is too big, doesn't matter what your opinion is because it's not an interpretation, it's a fact.

He's right you know.

 

[raph]

Hi people, how are you?
I know the hen isn't perfect, nothing is, but she's strong and healthy and I think her chicks will be nice.

My clutch off eggs.





Mum and Dad.



Mum.

 

[Coop Scoop Boogie]

Congrats Ralph.......hope you have chicks soon. Pretty hen too.

 

[championsumatra]

That hen has a nice green sheen to her.

 

[Sonia]

Bookmark.

 

[championsumatra]

Now just becuse i don't follow the standard in the weight dose not mean i dont follow the standard. I breed for all these things it calls for and I don't have standard with me right now so i will have to have it in my head. You want to breed for nice short round head and short beak, dark horned color to the beak, dark eyes and face, willow to dark willow colored legs with bottoms being yellow, multible spears, angle of males horizontal and females havering a15 degree angle tail, a nice long back, a long arched neck, a full Brest for males and females not upright, color for a blue sumatra is having nice dark lacing with a stalelish blue in the middle with no white or red in the feathers, black Sumatra's having a nice green blue sheen not a purple sheen and no positive white or red in feathers, no white ear lobes,medium length legs. Small pea combs and wattles, nice clean legs, humm trying to think what comes to mind. wings pointing slightly down, nice full tail, nice width to the wingand tail feathers. I follow a lot...not trying to start up the fight but it is wrong to tell people that they are not going by the standard when it is clearly one thing.

 

[ramirezframing]

Sorry to see you go FMP, but I understand about beating a dead horse.

Boggy, was nice to see you pop on. You're not the only one who has bascially took to just stopping by to read only, if that.

I'm sorry that so many have gone to this mode on this thread, but must admit that , I myself, will be going back to that mode aswell.

Good luck with your eggs Raph

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

oh yes, I'll still check in, but not much in the posting mood any more. seems every time I show a project like Champ was saying, It gets tore apart even with "project" being the lead word.

Speaking of Champ, please don't think I was intending any of my comment directly at you either by the way. Just a generalized comment is all. I actually am quite fond of you and thank you for all your help with getting in touch with folks.
I just hear everyone harping on the standard of them. which I could take or leave. If it looks good in my eyes that's all I care about.
Just saying the standard is written down. If anyone wants to go by it, it's there in black and white for everyone to see. If you are a shower, yep it's important to follow it to the T. and not do your own versions of it unless they get you to the end goal of a perfect to standard bird...... haha that's what I do... but then I don't show.

but it's just every poor Joe Blow who post a pic on here, or any forum seems that is talking about sumatras, for that matter, gets their birds tore apart by critics wheather they ask for a critique or not....

nothing intended towards in one individual, just an over view