Sumatra Thread!

[ramirezframing]

I understand the "antlers" as some of my polish projects (specially the roosters) have moose antlers, and they were originally crossed to a pea comb breed. Now I'm off to see what moorkop and the Dutch owlbeards look like

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[ramirezframing]

Boy, them Dutch yellow spangled owlbeard chickens are pretty.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

What's the difference between a bb red and a brown red?

Bb red is duck wing brow red is birchen also called crow wing. Basically on the males, they look very similar but brown reds have a solid black wing with no wing triangle. The hens are totally different though . Birchen has a lacing it adds to the breast. So they are totally black with red hackles and a red laced breast. If you have seen birchens they are just the silver version of a brown red

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Even though this is the Sumatra thread, I always enjoy helping others out. About the lakenvelder x polish. Normally on the first generation cross of a single x V comb, you get 'antlers' since both single and V are recessive. Cross the best marked birds back to lakenvelders to get single combs. In that cross, you should also have some non-crested birds to choose from. I know elsewhere they have color that is called moorkop in the Dutch owlbeards. If you take away the crest, that is what many of the black crested white polish (that I've seen) would look like as far as markings go.

 The wildfarbig hens looked like the same color I have seen on the Old Enlgish Pheasant Fowl hens where it is an overly melanized BBR/wildtype with some lacing. Which reminds me Aubrey, what are your thoughts on the 'grouse tailed' phoenix pullet I posted a pic of on facebook? (again, not sumatra, lol)

 As I was out staring at chickens, I noticed that a couple of the older dun bantam project birds look pretty decent. They are pullets which is nice because it is easier to keep colored pullets with a black rooster for us anyway

Missed it I guess. Will try to looking it up. Sound similar to my Ismer lines which I love though. Will look it up.

Those could also be very heavy melanized reds. I just have phoenix that are German lines that look like them and they were black to bb crosses. So could be either. Would need to see a good hen. If melanized they'll be dark bb hens. If not they'll be almost solid black

 

[ramirezframing]

Bb red is duck wing brow red is birchen also called crow wing. Basically on the males, they look very similar but brown reds have a solid black wing with no wing triangle. The hens are totally different though . Birchen has a lacing it adds to the breast. So they are totally black with red hackles and a red laced breast. If you have seen birchens they are just the silver version of a brown red

lol Ok so I have seen both,will have to remember the difference. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

 

[Coop Scoop Boogie]

Ok......I'm the uneducated one on phoenix.........what is
grouse tailed and what does it look like?

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

Ok......I'm the uneducated one on phoenix.........what is
grouse tailed and what does it look like?

It isn't a real color. We had a mystery crele bantam hen that I am still unsure what color she would have looked like if she didn't have barring. Her only pullet looks like a normal silver for the most part but her tail is blueish with black tips like a grouse

 

[Coop Scoop Boogie]

It isn't a real color. We had a mystery crele bantam hen that I am still unsure what color she would have looked like if she didn't have barring. Her only pullet looks like a normal silver for the most part but her tail is blueish with black tips like a grouse

Sounds like an interesting variation. Wonder if it could become a
pattern or part of a color? Thanks for sharing the pic too. I'm on
FB but you know how that whole friends thing works.......got to be
so you can see

........and of course she is a pretty bird

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Ok......I'm the uneducated one on phoenix.........what is
grouse tailed and what does it look like?

haha like that!

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

I'd say the mama was silver or golden under the barring. The pullet looks pretty much like one or the other, actually has a golden look to her hackle unless that's just the lighting. But if bred to a gold male, and this is the chicks they made, she pretty much had to of been.

That is a curious tail pattern though. I almost wonder if when she molts out, will it go away and be normal colored?

I've seen similar black then very pale sections to them before in their first adolescent plumage, but after an adult molt it all goes away and it normal again. Almost as if too much pigment went into the beginning of the feather as it grew, then a blank spot of about the same size, then normal coloring.

I don't see and "blank" area beneath her black tips though??? Curious to see what comes of it.