Sumatra Thread!

[trailchick]

Congrats Champ.....
Need to order some eggs from you....
Will be in Boulder most of next week.

I got 32 out of 36 hatched in my control group.
The sumatra eggs only got two blacks.
Hope 1 is a male.

Did get 5 blues yesterday at the feed store,
where I got a nice blue last year. They look
like there are 2-3 splash, they are so light colored.

 

[championsumatra]

ok gust pm me when you are ready to get some sumatra eggs from me because my hens are laying to many eggs for me to hatch out or eat. there is only 7 sumatra hens in the pen and they are laying 12 eggs a day! crazy right

 

[zach N houdan]

Won reserve AOSB JR with my black Sumatra pullet at York along with champ heavy and standard duck, champ jr waterfowl, champ JR cont, and. Reserve JR game !!!!! Thank u Tom Kernan!!!

 

[FlCountryGirl]

Won reserve AOSB JR with my black Sumatra pullet at York along with champ heavy and standard duck, champ jr waterfowl, champ JR cont, and. Reserve JR game !!!!! Thank u Tom Kernan!!!

Congrats!!

 

[Infnityhrt]

Ok, don't take this the wrong way or anything. I just want to clarify something. My son FMP kinda makes it sound like we don't like the show birds... that in a way is the furthest from the truth. I show my Sumatras, (in fact, our first show of the year on the 30th of March, we did very well taking Ch. AOSB and Top Large Fowl in show. What I think our biggest difference is, the whole weight and feather issue. I breed mine to meet the standard weight, which is about 5lbs for a cock bird and 4 lbs for a hen. It just doesn't make sense to me to breed your birds and feed them so they weigh more than 4 and 6lbs when the standard specifically says that you should be deducted a point for every pound over one pound of the standard, that is like breeding for defects.. on purpose. My whole thing is that bigger is not always better and that there are so many other beautiful points on a Sumatra other than just the tail, that they have squished the legs out of the bird for a tail, to me the little longer leg makes them look more regal, keeping the standard is a way of preserving a breed,

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

very true. I think a lot of what Michael, and myself, disagree with on "show sumatras" is Like waht you just said, what is being considered a show type one any more, doesnt even fit the written standard. Things have been tweeked for so long and gotten away with to make the tail look better and or longer, that the written standar isnt being follwed in judgeing a lot nay more, and more and more people are starting to think, well that's what it should look like. What you just said, over sized, and short legs seem to be the most common thing. The shorter legs making the tail appear longer and all.

Just my opinion, but that's what I feel he is getting at when he says things about show birds. It's what I mean at least.

NOT by any means saying ALL show birds are that way. may show breeders stick with it, but more and more you are seeing these faults becoming standard if you will, and the judges are taking it. Honestly it lies in their hands. If you are a judge and judging a breed , YOU need to stick stricly with what the written standard says and judge the bird accordingly. This will put an end to it all. Doesnt matter if it's the prettiest bird you've ever seen, if it's walking on nubby legs, got a massive head, red face, and weighs 8 pounds, it should place higher than a bird that fits perfectly into the written standard..JMO

 

[ramirezframing]

on the note that "bigger is better" I was showing a friend a new young sumatra rooster of mine and he thought it was a bantam because the rooster looked so small. I don't think he believed me when I told him that roosters were only 5 lbs in this breed. But he talked with a friend of his that also has sumatras and I guess the friend showed and told him the same thing as I had, because he asked for my opinion when he was looking to buy some roosters from someone after that. So I guess most just don't know or don't care about the weight as I have not showen before but have heard of the whole weight issue in the show ring

 

[unprofessional]

Said goodbye to my sumatra today. $30 for a bird I paid $5 for! He was bullying my polish roo, anyways, and this guy had a hen for him.

 

[championsumatra]

to me the bigger heads make the sumatra's head more round and have a shorter beck Like the standard says. it dose not say the head should be small or large but if it works to get those good qualities in them I would do it. non of my birds have problems with long beck's. all my birds have really round heads so it works well. it dose not always happen but most of the time it dose.
this hen has a big head

 

[Infnityhrt]

to me the bigger heads make the sumatra's head more round and have a shorter beck Like the standard says. it dose not say the head should be small or large but if it works to get those good qualities in them I would do it. non of my birds have problems with long beck's. all my birds have really round heads so it works well. it dose not always happen but most of the time it dose.
this hen has a big head

The standard does say that the head should be short and round, and it does also say that the back should be long and sloping to the tail, I have noticed more and more in the males rather than the females that the back is short, with it being neck, then tail, rather than neck, long back and tail,