Sumatra Thread!

[Coop Scoop Boogie]

We should start a new thread on Sumatra's, to lure the other people with good knowledge back. And we shouldn't argue on it.

And the art exhibition went well, i didn't get placed because i was the only one with pencil sketches, but i was in the runners up. And one of my teachers is going to buy a drawing for 40 euro.

Congrats on the runner-up.......maybe next time there will
be more pencil artworks entered. And congrats on the sale
of your picture

 

[ramirezframing]

We should start a new thread on Sumatra's, to lure the other people with good knowledge back. And we shouldn't argue on it.

And the art exhibition went well, i didn't get placed because i was the only one with pencil sketches, but i was in the runners up. And one of my teachers is going to buy a drawing for 40 euro.

Congrats on your pending sale. Hope next time that there's more pencil work, as there's something about it that is very eye catching for me if its done nicely.

 

[Cemani Farm]

ooh,.. i want sumatras from Europe or US blood line,....

i have some research for this,...

 

[NYREDS]

Im not NYREDS but I have an answer for you...But a question first to your answer...Are you breeding to standard or what you think everyone else is breeding for? The answer to your question is NO, just because other people's birds have longer backs does not mean you should follow. The standard is not changing so why change your birds shape further from the standard??

Couldn't have said it better myself. It's not a contest to see who can grow the longest back, the idea is to come as close as possible to te Standard.

 

[NYREDS]

why not stop this argument here? Alongside the written standard we all have are own opinion of the breed, and our own view of how the breed should be. And some of us have questions, so when some one makes a statement or asks a question don't go slating them and causing an argument. So lets just stop this one here.

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"slating them" not an expression I'm familiar with. What does it mean?

 

[NYREDS]

Why are you guys trying to separate the standard from showing??? They are the same things they are tied together like a sandwich you can not win champion or be known as a good breeder if you are not going by the standard. A judge can not become a judge unless he is going by the standard...
Ok what is wrong with that?? It sounds like you guys don't understand It. It helps you see that you may not be the closest to the standard as you thought or it improves your stock like I had said before.

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I always thougt I was a good reader but I almost never understand what you're trying to say.

 

[BGMatt]

Why are you guys trying to separate the standard from showing??? They are the same things they are tied together like a sandwich you can not win champion or be known as a good breeder if you are not going by the standard. A judge can not become a judge unless he is going by the standard...
Ok what is wrong with that?? It sounds like you guys don't understand It. It helps you see that you may not be the closest to the standard as you thought or it improves your stock like I had said before.

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Truth of the matter is, that it isn't always the same thing, especially in popular breeds. There are trends and fads that come and go, no matter if they are strictly to standard or not. If the majority of breeders pick up on a trend, and that's all a judge has to pick from then those birds when but may not be strictly speaking a great representation of the Standard. I'm not familiar enough with Sumatras to give a breed specific example, but in my time with poultry some notable trends are Leghorns with almost Phoenix length tails that drag on the ground, Old English Game Bantams with huge Rosecomb levels of tail spread and feather width. For a while there very few of the Rhode Island Red Bantams had flat backs as standard called for, but resembled Red Rocks instead. Perhaps NYREDS could elaborate on this, as I'm sure he encounters this while he's judging across the country.

It'd be nice if the Standard and showing was always 100% the same, and over time if you adhere strictly to the Standard you'll be better off, but it's not always the case. Just to be clear, this isn't the judges fault either, they can only judge what's put in front of them.

 

[NYREDS]

There are facts & there are opinins. People tend to be passionate about their opinions, there's nothing wrong with that and there's no reason why adults shouldn't be able to handle passionate discussion. Breed standards contain some facts eg: weight & colour. They also contain some subjective material that's subjest to opinion to some extent. Long back, short beak, are exaples of the sort of things people may not see in the same way. That said, some opinions may be better formed than others.
Facts are another matter: Sumatra cock birds should weigh 5 pounds. That's what the Standard says & it's pointless to argue about it. However, some time back in this thread a self-proclaimed Sumatra expert argued that their 8 1/2 pound Sumatras wouldn't deserve disqualification. A silly arguement as it was factually wrong.
Bottom line i that sometimes reasonable people will disagree & there's no reason to fear that and certainly no reason to withdraw from a discussion because people are passionately defending their opinions.

ramirezframing-what's your question about Sumatra heads?

 

[raph]

NYREDS, well said.

tomorrow ill get some pictures of my young Sumatra's. the one hen who hatched in MY EYES not the STANDARDS is a beautiful hen. and one of my Pekings who loves fighting came near my 4 MONTH old Sumatra's, and she was standing like she wanted to fight,and the oldest one of the four chicks gracefully flapped his wings and attempted his first crow. It was more like a squeak but none the less he has good spirit that bird.

 

[Tanichca]

Hey everyone! I'm Tani, I have one sumatra, a GORGEOUS splash hen from Champion Sumatra Farms. She's a sweetheart, rides around the yard on my brothers shoulder, enjoys pancakes and cuddles, and her coloring is great! Sorry, I geek out about chickens a lot. Anyway, how is everyone?