Sumatra Thread!

[Chickenwingo]

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[NWSumatras]

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Off topic....
So how does one come to the conclusion that that is the best ayam cemani in the usa? Is there some national show just for them that we don't know of? Is it a people's choice kind of deal? Do the breeders talk it over?

I might sound strange but that breed does not impress me at all. I find it quite ugly...but that is just me.

 

[Coop Scoop Boogie]

I find the Ayam Cemani.....and just HOW is that pronounced............ an
interesting and odd breed but I am in no hurry to get any......I do prefer
the looks of Sumatras. Just Sumatras are what I like. There is nothing wrong
with the Ayams. Most folks have breeds they prefer over other breeds.

 

[Lauravonsmurf]

No the ayam cemanis need there own cage they can be mean even to a sumatra and they use there feet like a hawk they grab and squeeze and don't let go when they walk the feet clench the ground. They are more like a wild chicken then a game fowl. Very nice to people though very smart. Well you get about 60 eggs a year sometimes a little more from a true ayam cemani. The eggs are worth alot my wife calls them the golden egg layers. Real good birds I mean real good best line cemani eggs are worth 1,200 just for 6 eggs and up. The best cemani birds can go over 5,000+ no problem it sounds crazy but thats what there worth cheap ones 75.00. Cemanis have the best colors on birds that I have ever seen in my life. No special diet as long as the good shape 5 to 8 years average life. They can jump like no body's business its funny. There size is of a normal chicken just more stream lined. Boy they can fly.

Coons are not to bad the bears and coyotes in my area are I had one bear in my back yard 1 month ago it bit the fence and pulled back and bent it good thing I use heavy dog run fence, good thing.

Like Ted Nugent says Control the wildlife and it will control disease and it will help them little critters out.

That bird you see in my avatar is the best ayam cemani in the usa.

Okay that info helps me out allot. I do believe they are some of the most striking birds I have seen. I have had JF before and I want them again as I really liked how different they where, so the AC being more wild like is a plus in my book.

As for wildlife I agree with Ted.

Bears can do a ton of damage, I have watched them; from a safe distance; in nature doing their bear thing, people who only see them in zoos or on TV are clueless how dangerous, strong, fast and smart they are. Bears know they are apex animals.

I love nature and the critters but a Mountain Lion stalking your children in the backyard suburbs changes ones tree hugging ways really quickly. They just tranqed one in a down town suburb living in the neighborhood park between a bunch of schools, the PC crowd thinks it can be relocated, it will return, they always return.

They think they are safe again, wrong, we have a year round population, that big kitty did not wander down from some ambiguous nature area far away to explore & see the big city or come from another dimension, it was born here. I wish people would educate themselves about wildlife instead of just believing what ever makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside about wildlife.

Nice bird.

 

[Chickenwingo]

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[Lauravonsmurf]

Now there solid black in the sun they can solid purple at angles like no other bird in the world!! The have alot of hair to beside long thin feathers unlike normal chicken feathers this is a young cemani.
For a start it has solid black tongue, skin, meat, bones and poop it even has black blood, BLACK BLOOD. If you research ayam cemani the ones with the black blood that are extreamly rare in the world not just in the usa and are worth up to 150,000 Its in the forum here under ayam cemani. I have all three lines of them. This bird in that picture has all of these traits that makes it the best in the usa no one else has shown birds like I have on the ayam cemani thread that compare to my one bird. Not one other bird is reported to have black blood like mine, in that it makes it the best and if you ask people they will tell you yes from over there ask randy2010 he will tell you.

Thank You very much God has blessed me with this bird and boy I know it I am lucky.

Could you explain the difference between the three lines?

I understand fixing & retaining all the traits you listed is difficult, so you are blessed to have such a bird.

I have often wandered if the Sumatra was originally a "blacker" bird because of the note I read that stated it is suppose to have a black tongue but now I understand that is rare, and it seems to me to have a black tongue would mean a larger dose of genes that blacken flesh then normally seen today.


And a completely unrelated Q to all: "Nesturf": I have been browsing "new" products (new to me) for chickens and ran across this stuff that is fake turf, has anyone tried using this product or similar products, or do it yourself cut fake turf in your nesting boxes? I have always just used straw, but I am trying to explore new ideas... so input welcome.

 

[Nickeechickee]

Quote: Ugh I hate raccoons! Any tips for getting rid of them? I don't own a gun, so the last one I caught I drowned.

 

[Chickenwingo]

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[Chickenwingo]

Now from what have been told her from very smart people that do make alot of common sense goes with there replies. My understanding they have to have yellow skin on the bottom of there feet. So if you trying to make them darker then the bird is not to show quality and should be culled save the darker ones only, start there. If you have real colored feet birds and your going ffor good line only breed your best birds the darkest what you trying to succed and repeat the process and hatch them out time and time again. LOL

 

[ramirezframing]

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Just realized I didn't wish you luck. Sorry Zach, I haven't been sleeping well lately due to my shoulder. I hope you had fun at your show today.