Summer parasites

Sydney65

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I use Neem for mite control, but thought this interesting. As usual, I have questions.😉

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._experimentally_infected_with_Eimeria_tenella

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20503590/

My first question is - info regarding coccidiosis itself. Information always indicates that keets are x amt of wks old before contracting it. Yet when Mixed's little one was doing poorly after hatch last yr, she tried corid. Whether it worked or was a coincidence- the little guy lives today.
So after mine started dropping this time, I came to the conclusion that I had nothing to lose -and the deaths stopped. So either the time line of contracting coccidiosis is in error, or corid somehow has another benefit that stops watery stools & death?
I was looking for best way to protect goonies from everything. Not having issues, just being me & trying to be prepared. It never seems advisable to treat for internal parasites unless there's evidence of them, yet if one uses ivermectin for ectoparasites, the bird is getting tx for both.🤷‍♀️
Mites: a lot of ppl being told that the annoying gnats zooming around animals are mites or lice. My understanding is neither have wings nor the ability to fly and those annoying clouds swirling in the air remain gnats.
I did put the vanilla air fresheners back out this year. I won't say there are zero flies, but considerably less. I even hung one on our doors because they were waiting for a chance to get in, and near the keets, bc buffalo gnats were swarming around them when outside. "have been known to kill poultry and other birds when their populations get high. The toxins from their bites can kill the birds, or they can be so numerous they can suffocate them."(U of I/Ill. Ext. Ctr) Again, nothing is 100% but it sure seems to deter them.
Next up - botflies. I thought these preyed on wounds, but someone asked about finding a closed bump on a young healthy chick. The person squeezed the exudate from it, leaving a hole on the chick's back-now, of ourse, open. The response was that it was d/t a botfly.
This is inline w/what I thought: https://www.fresheggsdaily.blog/2018/05/prevent-flystrike-in-your-chickens-and.html#:~:text=Flystrike refers to the deadly,skin tissue of the host.

According ttomy state website, the only botfly we have is deer botfly, no screwflies, and apparently a new blowfly from Va.to add to our collection. Does that mean I can relax a little about sending keets off to the coop?
 
I use Neem for mite control, but thought this interesting. As usual, I have questions.😉

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._experimentally_infected_with_Eimeria_tenella

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20503590/

My first question is - info regarding coccidiosis itself. Information always indicates that keets are x amt of wks old before contracting it. Yet when Mixed's little one was doing poorly after hatch last yr, she tried corid. Whether it worked or was a coincidence- the little guy lives today.
So after mine started dropping this time, I came to the conclusion that I had nothing to lose -and the deaths stopped. So either the time line of contracting coccidiosis is in error, or corid somehow has another benefit that stops watery stools & death?
I was looking for best way to protect goonies from everything. Not having issues, just being me & trying to be prepared. It never seems advisable to treat for internal parasites unless there's evidence of them, yet if one uses ivermectin for ectoparasites, the bird is getting tx for both.🤷‍♀️
Mites: a lot of ppl being told that the annoying gnats zooming around animals are mites or lice. My understanding is neither have wings nor the ability to fly and those annoying clouds swirling in the air remain gnats.
I did put the vanilla air fresheners back out this year. I won't say there are zero flies, but considerably less. I even hung one on our doors because they were waiting for a chance to get in, and near the keets, bc buffalo gnats were swarming around them when outside. "have been known to kill poultry and other birds when their populations get high. The toxins from their bites can kill the birds, or they can be so numerous they can suffocate them."(U of I/Ill. Ext. Ctr) Again, nothing is 100% but it sure seems to deter them.
Next up - botflies. I thought these preyed on wounds, but someone asked about finding a closed bump on a young healthy chick. The person squeezed the exudate from it, leaving a hole on the chick's back-now, of ourse, open. The response was that it was d/t a botfly.
This is inline w/what I thought: https://www.fresheggsdaily.blog/2018/05/prevent-flystrike-in-your-chickens-and.html#:~:text=Flystrike refers to the deadly,skin tissue of the host.

According ttomy state website, the only botfly we have is deer botfly, no screwflies, and apparently a new blowfly from Va.to add to our collection. Does that mean I can relax a little about sending keets off to the coop?
Hi Sydney,

Re coccidiosis: the prepayment period in poultry is estimated to be 4-7 days, so young poultry can develop clinics signs of disease at an early age.
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/poultry/coccidiosis/overview-of-coccidiosis-in-poultry

One paper with experimental inoculation of 5 day old chicks with coccidia resulted in death 6-10 days later, so at 11-15 days of age.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...8ac34ca&pid=1-s2.0-S0032579119513335-main.pdf

As for neem vs anticoccidial drugs, I don’t know much about the active ingredients in neem so can’t comment. I do know that amprolium resistance is common, so I don’t use the low, prevention dose as that’s a perfect way to encourage and select for drug resistant strains. I use the high dose as needed. That also gives the chicks/keets time to recognize the infectious agent and mount an immune response, which is ultimately how the infection will be controlled.

As for internal parasites, I usually use something that stays around in eggs less than ivermectin. I also don’t routinely deworm as it’s ubiquitous in the environment and another parasite mostly controlled by the immune system. That said, I am pretty nervous about one of my egg buying customers finding an ascarid in an egg! However that is thought to be a rare occurrence. Another good reason to crack an egg in a bowl before using.

Botflies! Lots of fun, lots of animal species can get them. Usually a one off kind of thing and very different from house flies, stable flies, horse flies, deer flies, gnats etc.
https://livestockvetento.tamu.edu/insectspests/bot-flies/

To my knowledge, I have not seen Buffalo gnats, TG, as they seem so awful! Gnats are winged, but mites and lice have no wings. Mites are also very tiny and very difficult to see with the naked eye so gnats are huge in comparison.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/posts/21277273
 
Hi Sydney,

Re coccidiosis: the prepayment period in poultry is estimated to be 4-7 days, so young poultry can develop clinics signs of disease at an early age.
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/poultry/coccidiosis/overview-of-coccidiosis-in-poultry

One paper with experimental inoculation of 5 day old chicks with coccidia resulted in death 6-10 days later, so at 11-15 days of age.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...8ac34ca&pid=1-s2.0-S0032579119513335-main.pdf

As for neem vs anticoccidial drugs, I don’t know much about the active ingredients in neem so can’t comment. I do know that amprolium resistance is common, so I don’t use the low, prevention dose as that’s a perfect way to encourage and select for drug resistant strains. I use the high dose as needed. That also gives the chicks/keets time to recognize the infectious agent and mount an immune response, which is ultimately how the infection will be controlled.

As for internal parasites, I usually use something that stays around in eggs less than ivermectin. I also don’t routinely deworm as it’s ubiquitous in the environment and another parasite mostly controlled by the immune system. That said, I am pretty nervous about one of my egg buying customers finding an ascarid in an egg! However that is thought to be a rare occurrence. Another good reason to crack an egg in a bowl before using.

Botflies! Lots of fun, lots of animal species can get them. Usually a one off kind of thing and very different from house flies, stable flies, horse flies, deer flies, gnats etc.
https://livestockvetento.tamu.edu/insectspests/bot-flies/

To my knowledge, I have not seen Buffalo gnats, TG, as they seem so awful! Gnats are winged, but mites and lice have no wings. Mites are also very tiny and very difficult to see with the naked eye so gnats are huge in comparison.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/posts/21277273
That makes more sense, thank you. I have ivermectin on hand, but not ever noted symptoms of internal parasites. I do use neem mix on them about 1x a month bc the gnats drive them as bonkers as they do us, & spray coops w/neem. Mama is the only one who's feet get scaley if I don't keep them sprayed.🤷‍♀️
I'm glad I did use the corid this time, not only to stop deaths, but that's the only thing I did different, and am pleased with how sturdy the little buggers are at 4 wks tomorrow. Even the midget chocolate is growing well -still smaller in comparison, but healthy. Going to make a dustbath for them tomorrow- today they all had to have micro-baths after "dustbathing" in the brooder.🤦‍♀️
I'm glad I asked all of this -as usual, lots of bad info going around.
l might dig through neem oil constituents out of curiosity. Still have lots of time off my hands. Lol
Thank you!
 
That makes more sense, thank you. I have ivermectin on hand, but not ever noted symptoms of internal parasites. I do use neem mix on them about 1x a month bc the gnats drive them as bonkers as they do us, & spray coops w/neem. Mama is the only one who's feet get scaley if I don't keep them sprayed.🤷‍♀️
I'm glad I did use the corid this time, not only to stop deaths, but that's the only thing I did different, and am pleased with how sturdy the little buggers are at 4 wks tomorrow. Even the midget chocolate is growing well -still smaller in comparison, but healthy. Going to make a dustbath for them tomorrow- today they all had to have micro-baths after "dustbathing" in the brooder.🤦‍♀️
I'm glad I asked all of this -as usual, lots of bad info going around.
l might dig through neem oil constituents out of curiosity. Still have lots of time off my hands. Lol
Thank you!
How are you feeling? Seems you are able to type well? Always good for us keyboard warriors… :gig
 
How are you feeling? Seems you are able to type well? Always good for us keyboard warriors… :gig
Impatient.on a tablet, so one fingering it is normal. Limited on grasping/gripping still, so use a good sized cloth to get around keets before picking them up so they don't slip out of my hands. Thank goodness Numi is still a sweetheart.I transfer her to the kennel for the day now; she has started laying eggs and wants to travel. She hates being locked up so I take the keets out & sit with her. She doesn't fuss abt being picked up and comes to me when I open the gate. He's just about done with the enclosure, and then everyone will have more freedom.
 

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