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Might be the contrast to the pink carton. I thought they looked grey
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Might be the contrast to the pink carton. I thought they looked grey
Yes and no on the relation between lobe and egg color . My Legbar lobes are not white enough to suit me Leghorn have a gene that inhibits brown pigment on the egg to create the enamel white egg shell . So I can gain those 2 plus better egg production . Legbar were not created to be show birds . Just good layers of blue eggs . Punnet also wanted to prove that you could have blue eggs with single comb .
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...RYUsR6AeQD5HhIdAw&sig2=bITbqUe6OBe2I1IXbsjkxA
Look through the breeders directory for some breeders
Look through the breeders directory for some breeders
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...hi18m7UjSepFbkHsg&sig2=F26vGAua3Oo5bX-iwyz9eQ
This is a good site to find good breeders!
This is a good site to find good breeders!
Myself I think they should stick with the original intent of a production blue egg layer with production brown leghorn type . This way you can cross to brown leghorn when needed . The people doing the standard are not up to speed on terms IMO . They did not know what golden duckwing was or even what duckwing referred to . We had some long discussions on this . For awhile they were saying Legbar should be crow wing . Totally wrong . Many want a silver look to the males . Cream was intended to be a true breeding golden duckwing .
Yeah. I believe they will have to get rid of the white sport gene too. Once they try to add it they have to do a test hatch and 50% of the off spring have to look identical which will be really hard! And u need 5 members from the APA who have been members for 5 years to breed them
Holm this is what I was given for the proposed SOP. http://www.creamlegbarclub.com/29-standard-of-perfection
I like the duckwing myself. I am more excited about getting a white chicken that lays blue eggs ( White sports) I am hoping my hunch is right. My hunch is the hen carries the white recessive and the younger rooster is hers.
If it was the rooster I would think I would be getting more white chicks than I am. I have 6 young hens and if 1/4 of chicks from the old rooster and the young hens (his daughters) I should have more than 2 so far this year. So I have the old hen with the young rooster now and 2 other young hens and the old rooster with 4 younger hens.
Hopefully I hit the right combo. If I could get a breeding flock of white sports I would sell my CLBS. Just to be different..
Holm here is where that link takes you too: My disagreement is the number of points, at one time they wanted 7 points. I have a couple hens that have a very small comb a or no comb and they make more sense in Minnesota winters.
The Cream Legbar was presented at the 1947 London Dairy Show as a new breed of cream colored autosexing chicken, friendly in temperament, and prolific layer of blue eggs. The recessive nature of the cream color, the dominate blue egg color, and the crest which sets this breed apart from its similar Legbar relations was discovered in genetic experimentation performed by Professors R.C. Punnett and Michael Pease.
Professor Punnett received blue egg laying crested Chilean hens from botanist Clarence Elliott in 1929. One of these hens led to Professor Punnett’s monumental discovery of the recessive cream color in poultry in 1931. Professor Punnett experimented with these birds at the University of Cambridge to create crested blue egg layers with the heartiness, production, plumage pattern and type of the Danish Brown Leghorns he used, except with cream replacing the gold coloring.
Later Professor Pease performed his own breeding experiments using Gold Legbars and an inbred UK type White Leghorn from Reaseheath College in Cheshire, England, which also resulted in a number of cream colored birds.
Professors Pease and Punnett bred their cream birds together to see if they had stumbled upon the same cream gene, proving it upon the hatching of all cream offspring. Descendants of these birds were selected for straight single combs, crests, production blue egg laying, and the remarkable autosexing feature that allowed the sexes to be identified at hatch. These qualities were stabilized by 1947, and The Poultry Club of Great Britain adopted a written standard in May, 1958.
Beak: Stout, point clear of the front of the comb, slightly curved.
Face: Smooth, skin fine in texture.
Eyes: Large, bright, and prominent. Round in appearance.
Wattles: Moderately long, thin, uniform in size, well rounded, free from folds or wrinkles. Skin soft.
Ear-lobes: Large, elongated oval, pendant, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape.
Crest: Small, well back from the eyes with narrow feathers falling off the back of the head to below the blade of the comb.
Head: Medium size, symmetrical, well balanced, and of fine quality.
Neck: Long and well covered with hackle feathers.
Back: Moderately broad at the shoulders, narrowing slightly toward the tail, long in length, flat, sloping slightly to the tail.
Saddle feathers—Abundant, long, and filling well in front of the tail.
Tail: Moderately full, carried at an angle of forty-five degrees above horizontal.
Main tail—feathers broad and overlapping.
Sickles—long and well curved.
Lesser Sickles and Coverts—long, of good width, nicely curved and abundant.
Wings: Large and carried close to the body without dropping.
Breast: Prominent, well-rounded, carried forward and upright.
Body and Fluff: Body--moderately long, sloping to the tail, broad in front tapering slightly to the rear. Keel is of good length, following the line of the back. Feathers moderately long and close to the body.
Fluff—medium in length, moderately full.
Legs and Toes: Legs--moderately long, straight when viewed from the front. Thighs are medium length. Shanks round, strong, and free from feathers.
Toes—four, long, straight, and well-spread.
Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, erect or first point to stand erect and the remainder of the comb dropping gracefully to the side without obscuring the eyes, deeply and evenly serrated having six distinct points.
Beak: Stout, point clear of the front of the comb, slightly curved.
Face: Smooth, skin fine in texture.
Eyes: Large, bright, and prominent. Round in appearance.
Wattles: Medium in length, thin, uniform in size, well-rounded, free from folds or wrinkles. Skin soft.
Ear-lobes: Medium, elongated oval, pendant, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape.
Crest: Medium, rising well in front so as not to obstruct the eyes, with feathers narrow and falling off the back of the head to below the blade of the comb.
Head: Medium size, symmetrical, well balanced, and of fine quality.
Neck: Long and well covered with hackle feathers.
Back: Moderately broad at the shoulders, long, with an even slope to the tail. Feathers moderately broad and of sufficient length to carry well up to tail.
Tail: Moderately long, carried at an angle of thirty-five degrees above horizontal.
Main tail—feathers broad and overlapping.
Coverts—broad and abundant, extending well onto main tail.
Wings: Large and carried close to the body without dropping.
Breast: Prominent, well-rounded, carried forward and upright.
Body and Fluff: Body-- moderately long, sloping to the tail, broad in front tapering slightly to the rear. Keel is of good length, following the line of the back. Feathers moderately long and close to the body.
Fluff—medium in length, moderately full.
Legs and Toes: Legs-- moderately long, straight when viewed from the front. Thighs are medium length. Shanks round, strong, and free from feathers.
Toes—four, long, straight, and well-spread.
Beak: Yellow.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Ear-lobes: Enamel white. For Cocks over one year of age only, no defect cuts for red covering up to one-third of the surface.
Head: Plumage, cream and gray.
Crest: Cream and gray, some chestnut permissible.
Neck: Hackle—cream, sparsely barred with gray.
Shoulder—cream, barred with dark gray, some chestnut permissible.
Front of neck—same as breast.
Wings: Fronts and Bows—dark gray, faintly barred, some chestnut permissible.
Coverts—gray, barred, tipped in cream.
Primaries—dark gray, faintly barred, small amounts of white permissible.
Secondaries—dark gray, sparsely barred with gray intermixed with cream, some white permissible.
Back: Cream, barred with dark gray, some chestnut permissible.
Saddle—cream, barred with dark gray, edged in cream.
Tail: Main Tail—gray, evenly barred.
Sickle and Coverts—light gray, barred, some white feathers permissible.
Breast: Dark gray, evenly barred, well defined outline.
Legs and Toes: Yellow.
Under-Color of All Sections: Silver-gray.
Beak: Yellow.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Ear-lobes: Enamel white.
Head: Plumage, cream and gray.
Crest: Cream and gray, some chestnut permissible.
Neck: Hackle—cream, softly barred gray.
Front of neck—salmon.
Wings: Fronts, Bows and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.
Primaries— gray, very faintly barred.
Secondaries— gray, faintly barred, the outer web stippled with lighter gray and cream.
Back: Gray, softly barred, feathers having a lighter shaft permissible.
Tail: Main Tail and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.
Breast: Salmon, well defined in outline, some feathers having a slightly lighter shaft permissible.
Body and Fluff: Silver-gray, indistinctly barred.
Legs and Toes: Yellow.
Under-Color of All Sections: Silver-gray.
I like the duckwing myself. I am more excited about getting a white chicken that lays blue eggs ( White sports) I am hoping my hunch is right. My hunch is the hen carries the white recessive and the younger rooster is hers.
If it was the rooster I would think I would be getting more white chicks than I am. I have 6 young hens and if 1/4 of chicks from the old rooster and the young hens (his daughters) I should have more than 2 so far this year. So I have the old hen with the young rooster now and 2 other young hens and the old rooster with 4 younger hens.
Hopefully I hit the right combo. If I could get a breeding flock of white sports I would sell my CLBS. Just to be different..
Holm here is where that link takes you too: My disagreement is the number of points, at one time they wanted 7 points. I have a couple hens that have a very small comb a or no comb and they make more sense in Minnesota winters.
CREAM LEGBAR
(Proposed Standard of Perfection Draft 4 for Preliminary Show Requirements as requested by Walt Leonard, APA Chairman of Standard Revision and Advising Mentor to the Cream Legbar Club)
The Cream Legbar was presented at the 1947 London Dairy Show as a new breed of cream colored autosexing chicken, friendly in temperament, and prolific layer of blue eggs. The recessive nature of the cream color, the dominate blue egg color, and the crest which sets this breed apart from its similar Legbar relations was discovered in genetic experimentation performed by Professors R.C. Punnett and Michael Pease.
Professor Punnett received blue egg laying crested Chilean hens from botanist Clarence Elliott in 1929. One of these hens led to Professor Punnett’s monumental discovery of the recessive cream color in poultry in 1931. Professor Punnett experimented with these birds at the University of Cambridge to create crested blue egg layers with the heartiness, production, plumage pattern and type of the Danish Brown Leghorns he used, except with cream replacing the gold coloring.
Later Professor Pease performed his own breeding experiments using Gold Legbars and an inbred UK type White Leghorn from Reaseheath College in Cheshire, England, which also resulted in a number of cream colored birds.
Professors Pease and Punnett bred their cream birds together to see if they had stumbled upon the same cream gene, proving it upon the hatching of all cream offspring. Descendants of these birds were selected for straight single combs, crests, production blue egg laying, and the remarkable autosexing feature that allowed the sexes to be identified at hatch. These qualities were stabilized by 1947, and The Poultry Club of Great Britain adopted a written standard in May, 1958.
ECONOMIC QUALITIES
Especially noted for the autosexing feature in offspring, and production of eggs. Color of skin, yellow; color of egg shell, blue or green.
DISQUALIFICATIONS
Absence of crest. (See General Disqualifications and Cutting for Defects.)
STANDARD WEIGHTS
Cock…………………………7 lbs. Hens……………………..…..5 1/2 lbs.
Cockerel……………………..6 lbs. Pullet………………………..4 1/2 lbs.
SHAPE -- MALE
Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, straight and upright, deeply and evenly serrated with six distinct points, extending well over the back of the head and following, without touching, the line of the head, free from side sprigs, thumb-marks or twists.Beak: Stout, point clear of the front of the comb, slightly curved.
Face: Smooth, skin fine in texture.
Eyes: Large, bright, and prominent. Round in appearance.
Wattles: Moderately long, thin, uniform in size, well rounded, free from folds or wrinkles. Skin soft.
Ear-lobes: Large, elongated oval, pendant, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape.
Crest: Small, well back from the eyes with narrow feathers falling off the back of the head to below the blade of the comb.
Head: Medium size, symmetrical, well balanced, and of fine quality.
Neck: Long and well covered with hackle feathers.
Back: Moderately broad at the shoulders, narrowing slightly toward the tail, long in length, flat, sloping slightly to the tail.
Saddle feathers—Abundant, long, and filling well in front of the tail.
Tail: Moderately full, carried at an angle of forty-five degrees above horizontal.
Main tail—feathers broad and overlapping.
Sickles—long and well curved.
Lesser Sickles and Coverts—long, of good width, nicely curved and abundant.
Wings: Large and carried close to the body without dropping.
Breast: Prominent, well-rounded, carried forward and upright.
Body and Fluff: Body--moderately long, sloping to the tail, broad in front tapering slightly to the rear. Keel is of good length, following the line of the back. Feathers moderately long and close to the body.
Fluff—medium in length, moderately full.
Legs and Toes: Legs--moderately long, straight when viewed from the front. Thighs are medium length. Shanks round, strong, and free from feathers.
Toes—four, long, straight, and well-spread.
SHAPE -- FEMALE
Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, erect or first point to stand erect and the remainder of the comb dropping gracefully to the side without obscuring the eyes, deeply and evenly serrated having six distinct points.
Beak: Stout, point clear of the front of the comb, slightly curved.
Face: Smooth, skin fine in texture.
Eyes: Large, bright, and prominent. Round in appearance.
Wattles: Medium in length, thin, uniform in size, well-rounded, free from folds or wrinkles. Skin soft.
Ear-lobes: Medium, elongated oval, pendant, smooth and free from folds, equally matched in size and shape.
Crest: Medium, rising well in front so as not to obstruct the eyes, with feathers narrow and falling off the back of the head to below the blade of the comb.
Head: Medium size, symmetrical, well balanced, and of fine quality.
Neck: Long and well covered with hackle feathers.
Back: Moderately broad at the shoulders, long, with an even slope to the tail. Feathers moderately broad and of sufficient length to carry well up to tail.
Tail: Moderately long, carried at an angle of thirty-five degrees above horizontal.
Main tail—feathers broad and overlapping.
Coverts—broad and abundant, extending well onto main tail.
Wings: Large and carried close to the body without dropping.
Breast: Prominent, well-rounded, carried forward and upright.
Body and Fluff: Body-- moderately long, sloping to the tail, broad in front tapering slightly to the rear. Keel is of good length, following the line of the back. Feathers moderately long and close to the body.
Fluff—medium in length, moderately full.
Legs and Toes: Legs-- moderately long, straight when viewed from the front. Thighs are medium length. Shanks round, strong, and free from feathers.
Toes—four, long, straight, and well-spread.
COLOR -- MALE
Comb, Face and Wattles: Bright Red.Beak: Yellow.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Ear-lobes: Enamel white. For Cocks over one year of age only, no defect cuts for red covering up to one-third of the surface.
Head: Plumage, cream and gray.
Crest: Cream and gray, some chestnut permissible.
Neck: Hackle—cream, sparsely barred with gray.
Shoulder—cream, barred with dark gray, some chestnut permissible.
Front of neck—same as breast.
Wings: Fronts and Bows—dark gray, faintly barred, some chestnut permissible.
Coverts—gray, barred, tipped in cream.
Primaries—dark gray, faintly barred, small amounts of white permissible.
Secondaries—dark gray, sparsely barred with gray intermixed with cream, some white permissible.
Back: Cream, barred with dark gray, some chestnut permissible.
Saddle—cream, barred with dark gray, edged in cream.
Tail: Main Tail—gray, evenly barred.
Sickle and Coverts—light gray, barred, some white feathers permissible.
Breast: Dark gray, evenly barred, well defined outline.
Legs and Toes: Yellow.
Under-Color of All Sections: Silver-gray.
COLOR -- FEMALE
Comb, Face, and Wattles: Bright red.Beak: Yellow.
Eyes: Reddish bay.
Ear-lobes: Enamel white.
Head: Plumage, cream and gray.
Crest: Cream and gray, some chestnut permissible.
Neck: Hackle—cream, softly barred gray.
Front of neck—salmon.
Wings: Fronts, Bows and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.
Primaries— gray, very faintly barred.
Secondaries— gray, faintly barred, the outer web stippled with lighter gray and cream.
Back: Gray, softly barred, feathers having a lighter shaft permissible.
Tail: Main Tail and Coverts—silver-gray, faintly barred.
Breast: Salmon, well defined in outline, some feathers having a slightly lighter shaft permissible.
Body and Fluff: Silver-gray, indistinctly barred.
Legs and Toes: Yellow.
Under-Color of All Sections: Silver-gray.
Question for MN coop experts......We are doing the last of the modifications to our shed to turn it into chicken coop.
1. How many inches off the cement floor should the bottom of the pop door be? We will be using a deep litter method of straw and pine shavings.
2. Any special tips/tricks to allow for when installing the 12 inch vent fan?
Thank you!
1. How many inches off the cement floor should the bottom of the pop door be? We will be using a deep litter method of straw and pine shavings.
2. Any special tips/tricks to allow for when installing the 12 inch vent fan?
Thank you!
It is extremely important to know that your knowledge is incomplete. The problem is that for many it is easier to be a proclaimed expert if you are ignorant of many of the key facts related to the topic.
It would seem that many of these Cream Legbar enthusiasts lack basic poultry knowledge. They believe that because they are enthusiastic about the variety they should be able to dictate a SOP.
They have incomplete knowledge of poultry genetics and of the policies and procedures of the APA.
It would seem that many of these Cream Legbar enthusiasts lack basic poultry knowledge. They believe that because they are enthusiastic about the variety they should be able to dictate a SOP.
They have incomplete knowledge of poultry genetics and of the policies and procedures of the APA.
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