Terrorizing my chickens.

[HeritageGoose13]

It is illegal if you don't have a permit.

Yeah... it is. In the same way it is illegal to own an elephant without a permit. You can't assume the average person has those permits. And true, we do live in different habitats, but I know hawks have been living in "Texas" long before humans could name it that and bring chickens in.

True ..but in a Federal court ..you have a right to life liberty and persuit of happyness .. geese are protected but you can get a permit to kill them..Your happyness is formost

I am not sure where you got that idea. If that were true people could break whatever laws they wanted as long as it made them happy.

 

[Liberator]

The average person (in the U.S.) can apply for a depredation permit through the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, raptors included.

We have a right to pursue life, liberty and happiness as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. This is a basic fundamental of our freedoms here in the U.S. How is this forgotten? I can't say the same for those of you living in other countries.

 

[ExBattChicks]

WELL SAID HERITAGEGOOSE13!!

 

[HeritageGoose13]

The average person (in the U.S.) can apply for a depredation permit through the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, raptors included.
Yes but the average person does not have those permits, just as the average person does not have a permit to own an elephant.

We have a right to pursue life, liberty and happiness as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. Many of us believe our children have the right to see hawks and other wild animals in the wild, not just from history books.

 

[Liberator]

If you are having a problem with raptors stealing your chickens, you can apply for a depredation permit. Am I missing something here? I feel like a broken record! I'm not sure how many more times I can rephrase this.

I've added a signature. I hope everyone likes it.

I'm done with this post. You do what you want with it.

 

[HeritageGoose13]

No one is denying you can apply for a permit.

Your signature is great. I've never heard that one before but I like it.

 

[ExBattChicks]

My sentiments exactly HeritageGoose13. Elephants will soon be extinct. Rhinos, too. And many, many other animals...gone..forever...F O R E V E R. Only to be seen in books.

As for protecting private property and those that we love (and/or own), the pursuit of happiness has nothing to do with that...the pursuit of happiness has to do with being able to get up and go out of your house and be safe, to be able to walk in the open and not be attacked or aggressed or worse. The pursuit of happiness means to be able to live a life without duress. The pursuit of happiness means to be able to leave your state or your country (on holidays or to live) and to return and not be put in prison or have your family be imprisoned because you did. Don't take out of context what the founding fathers of the Constitution meant when they put this in that sacred document 239 years ago. They didn't mean that in the pursuit of happiness you could mow down your neighbor's dog because it killed your chickens. Your neighbour had the right to pursue happiness too by having a dog! Protecting your happiness by eliminating another being is not a legal right whether we are talking about eliminating a human or a legally protected animal.

Hawks are also birds and as much as we may love our pet birds (and other animals), we have to respect that hawks and other birds of prey are part of the ecosystem. Remove an element from nature's delicate balance and that balance is no longer stable...we are seeing a lot of that instablity right now all over the world and we are suffering the consequences of it. Humans live with very few predators (other than humans which are the worst predators there are), but our animals do have predators other than humans and we must accept that and live with them. Go live in a city and you won't have hawk problems. Live where hawks live and adjust your way of living just as you would have to adjust to life in a metropolitan city. Remember, hawks do not have to live by OUR laws (no matter what country we are in), but they do have to suffer from our laws and this is a real tragedy.

And yes, for those of you who insist, you can get a permit, but not every permit that is given is actually warranted...take for example the number of seriously bad drivers there are on the roads..they have permits to drive!

BTW, I have lost animals to wildlife and it hurts. A lot. But I accepted the risk when I got the animals.

 

[shortgrass]

Wow... That escalated quickly.... Did the OP say ANYTHING about shooting the hawk? No? Did they get some assistance as to WHAT to do about it BESIDES not shooting it? I would say yes...

It's a hawk, not a pterodactyl lol.... Lol my DH would have my behind in a sling if I wasted buckshot on a HAWK ROFL....

No need for picketing both sides here, opinions are just that; opinions. I got the point anyway, its illegal to shoot a random hawk without first identifying it, harassing it, then applying for a license... Then spend 40 bucks on some shells and have at it lol... Hawk will probably be long gone by then

 

[TheBantyCoop]

I am tired of all the people who think that we are the only things that matter in the world. Amazing how little respect so many people have. The hawk is a beautiful creature trying to make a living, people are creatures who are trying to make a living.We just have different lifestyles. We are just so new to this planet compared to the rest of the life here that we don't know how to coexist. Ever thought about how we are putting all of these plump birds out for all of the predators to see. Sheer mockery really, but if you are responsible with your livestock and the predators don't get them they leave peacefully. If you let your birds free range, you are releasing a predator all you can eat buffet. You just have to respect how intelligent nature is, you are almost guarantied to loose some girls. I am not against free-ranging, but I am against people who hate predators for being intelligent enough to take advantage of us. Yeah it sucks to loose a chicken you care about, it's just a risk you take for their happiness. I think it is well worth it, at least they get a natural send off.

We have been given the power to rule and change the world, for better or for worse.

BTW: The person who said that the fox could get the hawk, it would probably go the other way around.

Oh and I am in support of the opinions of ExBattChicks and HeritageGoose13! Nice posts, way to stick to your arms.

 

[HeritageGoose13]

Hawks and other birds of prey are very valuable for a farm. Many farms pay to have falconers bring in their raptors to get rid of other animals.




Thought some of you might like pictures of falconry, it's a beautiful sport that helps everyone involved- trains young hawks how to hunt for themselves before being released back to the wild, helps farms get rid of pests, and the falconer develops an unforgettable bond.