Terrorizing my chickens.

I don't know why raccoons were brought up in the first place.


Oh, well I think it was the "relocation" that brought it up.... Oh that and the beautiful hawks that are so threatened and protected... Are EATEN by coons.... I just figured everyone would like to ponder that whole, "ecosystem run amuck by human" thing... Absolutely yep, but maybe doing something about disease ridden populations of coons would assist the effort for your hawks... Could be wrong, dunno...
 
Folly and others,

There are places where you can relocate animals, I don't know about where you live. Granted, there are laws that prohibit relocation in some areas and many animals learn to avoid traps. However, if relocation is done right by smart people who do their research it can be a good option. I am not a relocation fanatic, since it can mess with the balance of predators and prey, but it is not an ineffective option if done right! A quick google search can teach ya how to do it, but several resources discourage it for reasons previously stated. I still think that it is better than shooting the predators though. That's my unwavering opinion on the matter.

If we kill all of the predator animals in our areas, the entire balance of that area can be easily offset. I agree with trapping loose pets though, more animals effecting the sensitive balance of nature.

-El 


Not sure how "smart" it is to break the trapping law ...

However, laws regarding this do vary from state to state. Here in California, according to the California Dept of Fish & Game, Section 465, (G) (1), the law states that animals trapped must be released on site or killed.

https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=45902

(1) Immediate Dispatch or Release. All furbearing and nongame mammals that are legal to trap must be immediately killed or released. Unless released, trapped animals shall be killed by shooting where local ordinances, landowners, and safety permit. This regulation does not prohibit employees of federal, state, or local government from using chemical euthanasia to dispatch trapped animals.
 
Yeah the CA is strict (In a good way in most cases!), I personally don't own any animal traps but I do know a thing or two about them. The law does vary and there are areas where releasing trapped animals is not against the law. I imagine that there are even more areas where it is legal with a permit.

Like I said earlier, I am not a trapping fanatic, but things that favor the well being of the environment tend to please me. I agree that releasing a caught animal into a different area can be bad, especially if the animal is territorial. Where I live there is the occasional problem with a mountain lion, and they always need to be killed if they are causing a problem because of their territorial instincts. If they are released into a different area they usually become trespassers in another lion's territory. Not good.....

I always dread seeing a lion, in fears that it will be discovered and killed. Where I live you are supposed to report it if you see a mountain lion, luckily I have never encountered a wild one!

It takes a lot of knowledge regarding your area and wildlife to know when it is even potentially a good idea to relocate a wild animal. It is not an easy thing to do, and I do not consider myself educated (in trapping that is) enough to do it. I do know people with enough knowledge to do it properly though. I wish it were easier to live with predators!

I did discover this though...
Another predator repellent


They are called Solar Nite Eyes I think, I found them on mypetchicken. I am skeptical of how effective they are, but I have never tried anything like them! Supposedly they mock the eyes of another predator and frighten off other animals. Hmmm....

They also sell predator urine on mpc. That I think could work, I mean I would leave if I were a coon and I though there were wolves around.

Ok I am starting to feel like an ad, but I think that mpc is worth checking out, I like their site.

Ah well this thread continues,
El
 
hi all, here in east tn. it a $315.00 fine and up to catch and release , so it does not give you anyway out. i plan on taking care of my small farm the way the law allows me to , i joined this site and this person to try to HELP with there chickens . I will take free range fowl over coop keep any day. mike .
 
Yeah the CA is strict (In a good way in most cases!), I personally don't own any animal traps but I do know a thing or two about them. The law does vary and there are areas where releasing trapped animals is not against the law. I imagine that there are even more areas where it is legal with a permit. Like I said earlier, I am not a trapping fanatic, but things that favor the well being of the environment tend to please me. I agree that releasing a caught animal into a different area can be bad, especially if the animal is territorial. Where I live there is the occasional problem with a mountain lion, and they always need to be killed if they are causing a problem because of their territorial instincts. If they are released into a different area they usually become trespassers in another lion's territory. Not good..... I always dread seeing a lion, in fears that it will be discovered and killed. Where I live you are supposed to report it if you see a mountain lion, luckily I have never encountered a wild one! It takes a lot of knowledge regarding your area and wildlife to know when it is even potentially a good idea to relocate a wild animal. It is not an easy thing to do, and I do not consider myself educated (in trapping that is) enough to do it. I do know people with enough knowledge to do it properly though. I wish it were easier to live with predators! I did discover this though... Another predator repellent They are called Solar Nite Eyes I think, I found them on mypetchicken. I am skeptical of how effective they are, but I have never tried anything like them! Supposedly they mock the eyes of another predator and frighten off other animals. Hmmm.... They also sell predator urine on mpc. That I think could work, I mean I would leave if I were a coon and I though there were wolves around. Ok I am starting to feel like an ad, but I think that mpc is worth checking out, I like their site. Ah well this thread continues, El
Now that I've read every post on this thread..... Not all members here are only hobbyists, my full time income comes from my farm. Chickens create most of that income in different ways. Anyway..... There's a lot of nonsense on this thread, someone says shoot a fox and the world ends. Nobody said shoot the hawk, although depending on how brazen it is may not be a bad option. I think a hose would work great though. Now back to my point, you have posted over and over how versed you are in trapping although you own no traps. Your comments above completely contradict your statements. For the record, preadator urine ATTRACTS predators. How do you think coyotes and foxes and all other types of furbeares are caught? That's right with urine from other predators. The worse thing you could do to protect your chickens would be to spray any type of predator urine anywhere around them. Next, I don't believe it's legal in any state to relocate trapped problem animals. There's a reason for that, now it's my problem or someone else's not to mention the disease issue. We have issues with drop off cats, people think they can drop them because it's the "country" and it's ok. Their just hungry right? Its an acceptable risk because I have chickens.... I think not. Now the issues with raccoons...my coops and building are secure but the birds have to go outside, they are much healthier and the eggs are much better not to mention we use them for bug control around cattle as well as pasture sanitation. I understand Iay loose a few birds and that's ok because I protect them the best I can, we even use electric poultry net. The real problem is a raccoon won't just take one, they don't just kill what they need. I've seen dozens of birds killed with their heads pulled off just for fun, it happens. If I had a raccoon get into one of my mobile coops it could literally cost me thousands of dollars. I had a neighbor that had a mink kill 250 birds in two visits, should we just leave it be because it's an animal and just trying to eat? I don't normally have to kill coons during this time of year, my dog does it for me. I do however trap as soon as the season opens and take as many as I can in a week. At least they generate revenue that way.
 
Now that I've read every post on this thread.....

Not all members here are only hobbyists, my full time income comes from my farm. Chickens create most of that income in different ways. Anyway.....

There's a lot of nonsense on this thread, someone says shoot a fox and the world ends. Nobody said shoot the hawk, although depending on how brazen it is may not be a bad option. I think a hose would work great though.

Now back to my point, you have posted over and over how versed you are in trapping although you own no traps. Your comments above completely contradict your statements. For the record, preadator urine ATTRACTS predators. How do you think coyotes and foxes and all other types of furbeares are caught? That's right with urine from other predators. The worse thing you could do to protect your chickens would be to spray any type of predator urine anywhere around them.

Next, I don't believe it's legal in any state to relocate trapped problem animals. There's a reason for that, now it's my problem or someone else's not to mention the disease issue. We have issues with drop off cats, people think they can drop them because it's the "country" and it's ok. Their just hungry right? Its an acceptable risk because I have chickens.... I think not.

Now the issues with raccoons...my coops and building are secure but the birds have to go outside, they are much healthier and the eggs are much better not to mention we use them for bug control around cattle as well as pasture sanitation. I understand Iay loose a few birds and that's ok because I protect them the best I can, we even use electric poultry net. The real problem is a raccoon won't just take one, they don't just kill what they need. I've seen dozens of birds killed with their heads pulled off just for fun, it happens. If I had a raccoon get into one of my mobile coops it could literally cost me thousands of dollars. I had a neighbor that had a mink kill 250 birds in two visits, should we just leave it be because it's an animal and just trying to eat?

I don't normally have to kill coons during this time of year, my dog does it for me. I do however trap as soon as the season opens and take as many as I can in a week. At least they generate revenue that way.


X2!!

Wow you said it SO m ch better than I EVER could! THANK YOU!!

And thank you for pointing out that using predator LURE around the birds is a bad, bad idea.... I was worried about people actually doing that :( works great to repel DEER and RABBITS, quite the opposite for carnivores. Yikes. :(

(Pm me if you need some nice juvenile skins ;) )
 
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I didn't read it someplace, I have friends that used it. Wolf urine is the only one that works, they say.


You do realize how the COLLECT predator urine, right? I would think that everyone worrying about a HAWK would be pretty concerned about how 'inhumane' that is...

Hmmm I guess all the years of using urines to attract coons and coyotes has been moot.

No, really, its a nice gimmick. I bet there's hundreds , no, thousands of people that have unwittingly paid good money to deter deer from harming their chickens lol.

I can do this, replace my coyote urine with wolf urine and see if I DONT catch anything lol... THAT would at least be reliable proof.
 

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