The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

[Randy2010]

I'm not arguing here.
Just using shens as an example.

Mike said that the blue sheen alone is cemani; those with blue and the green Shen is an aspect from Sumatra. And denotes a Sumatra somewhere in the family tree.

So, are those cemanis that are pure flat black with no sheen at all.
Better or lesser cemanis?

Traits like this need to be ironed out... eventually.
And we are in a unique historic position to do so.

Not arguing either, people just need to be careful when they are implying someone has cross other lines into their birds when they don't have that person's lines. I have two lines plus a pair of Black Svart Hona's. also the light can change the way the sheen looks, some days if the light is right, some of mine so a little purple sheen mixed in also.

 

[Steadfast]

Oooooo PUrPLe...... Drool.
I want purple..... Drool.
Me likes purple.... Slobber.

Sorry. Had to snap out of it.
Yes, I see your point. Mia culpa.

So do we decide as a group that shen color matters not? And what of those flat black cemanis? Are they ok or not ok?

I don't care either way and I kinda like the shens.

But,
We need to define the standards now as a group.
That's my point.

 

[Randy2010]

I think it is way to early to put a standard in place, more people need to own these birds first I feel, a club needs to be set up and so on in my opinion. There are steps one must take to get all of this going. I don't think just a couple of people can make that decision. I think everyone main focus right now is getting them to breed black without any white feathers, red in combs and waddles, making sure they are black inside, tissues, organs and so on. This need to be fixed first then move on to the easier things later.

 

[boykin2010]

I agree with everything you have said so far Randy.

Id also like to add that sheen theory seems false. I'd like to see some proof or genetic info on why a bird with green sheen should be considered to have been crossed with Sumatra.
I can take a picture of the same bird and make it appear blue, or purple, or even green depending upon the lighting.

Sheen should not be anyone's care right now. Every line has problems. The main problem, however, is that most lines are not reliably producing all black birds.

 

[boykin2010]

Body shape also has something to do with the birds geographical lineage, not necessarily it's purity.
My Svart Honas (originally from Sweden) are slightly larger, have smaller tails at a lesser angle, and a litter bit larger of a frame compared to Cemani I've seen.

 

[Steadfast]

I agree. More time is needed.

I'm just hoping that by going for consistent black that we don't loose that cool Shen too.

Sort of like how the wolfs flat tail always became curved everytime humanity breed the aggressive traits out to make a dog.

 

[Judy]

STAFF NOTE
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If you must argue about who won what, please confine it to PM.

 

[Jakk]

Sheen can have quite a bit to do with diet and conditioning as well, not entirely a genetic relation. I have had birds out of condition show matte black, and in condition have both green and blue sheen (have yet to see purple).

 

[Chickenwingo]

Its called Plumage When You feed them a higher percentage food they get better plumage. Like turkey starter25% protein and bird game food purina for pheasents chickens etc is 30% Shein is something different and its the bird it self not from food, sorry,,,, they should have green and purple you will see more green in the front breast and more purple with a green tint on there back and saddle, hackle feathers otherwise they look black , black toes and black skin and the chick feathers should be grayish black if not soild black, no white chick marabou. They are one of the most iridescent birds to look at, in the sun light you will be in all and stare at the bird going OMG wow this is wild looking like you never seen in any chicken anywere. The colors are beautiful beyound your mind limits.

 

[Steadfast]

I can not wait!
I am really looking forward to seeing that!

Chickenwingo:
I reported that jerk messing with you
and the moderator took care of things!

No one messes with MY friends!