The "Ask Anything" to Nicalandia Thread

[ChicksnMore]

The chicks sure look silver. Maybe a very-dilute gold? (Something like a very pale cream, perhaps).

But I'm wondering if the rooster could be a gold/silver split. It's not common to see some red/gold leakage on split males, although I'm not sure if it can be as much as your rooster is showing. If he is, that would definitely explain the silver that appears to be present in the chicks.

I was just playing with the chicken calculator some more wondering what an S/s roo looks like. Could that possibly be this roo:

He's the only one that shows that pale a gold. Anytime I try to add melanizers, mahogany, or other genes it goes to no image so the calculators only telling me there has to be S/s in the boy and S/- in the girl. And when I add Columbian to the boy only it shows I could get silver hens and roos, but when I add Columbian to the hen only it says I'd only get silver hens with no silver roos which I don't understand yet either.

Editing to add that the calculator was showing a yellow headed boy if I add silver and mahogany on an e/eb I think it was.

 

[PasoRoblesEgger]

Can someone please share the calculator being mentioned? I'm trying to learn, but this stuff is way over my head.

 

[I Like Turkeys]

Can someone please share the calculator being mentioned? I'm trying to learn, but this stuff is way over my head.

http://kippenjungle.nl/chickencalculator.html

If you scroll down to the bottom, there are different versions to try.

 

[Ponyiqandhens2]

Another question what is the genotype of the Jubilee Orpinton. They are mahogany ? but not technically spangled? I got confused as i cant figure out what they are. Thank you

 

[NatJ]

Another question what is the genotype of the Jubilee Orpinton. They are mahogany ? but not technically spangled? I got confused as i cant figure out what they are. Thank you

They've got mottling. Yes, Mahogany as well.

"Spangled" in chickens refers to two sets of colors, with very different genetics. I think they were named before the genes were studied or understood, but it can get quite confusing!

The color called "Spangled" in Hamburgs and Brabanters and Spitzhaubens is caused by a combination of genes, much like lacing is.

The other one is caused by the mottling gene. That is found in Spangled Russian Orloffs and Spangled Old English Game Bantams and Spangled Cornish Bantams. The mottling gene also causes similar colors in Speckled Sussex, Jubilee Orpingtons, Swedish Flower Hens, and the colors Mille Fleur and Tolbunt. All of those have the mottling gene, on various patterns of red/gold and black.

The mottling gene causes a white tip on a feather, then a bit of black, and then the rest of the feather is colored according to the other color genes the chicken has. The "black" can become white or blue or any other modifier of black, and the "rest of the feather" ranges from black (Mottled Ancona) through brown shades (Speckled Sussex, Mille Fleur) to white (Silver Mille Fleur). There can be solid colors or lacing on that part of the feather too. I'm pretty sure Tolbunts have lacing on it, while Mille Fleurs are based on Buff Columbian, and Spangled Cornish have double lacing there.

I don't remember what the base pattern is for Jubilee Orpingtons, whether it is black tailed red (like Rhode Island Reds with mottling), or whether it is laced (black laced red).

 

[Ponyiqandhens2]

They've got mottling. Yes, Mahogany as well.

"Spangled" in chickens refers to two sets of colors, with very different genetics. I think they were named before the genes were studied or understood, but it can get quite confusing!

The color called "Spangled" in Hamburgs and Brabanters and Spitzhaubens is caused by a combination of genes, much like lacing is.

The other one is caused by the mottling gene. That is found in Spangled Russian Orloffs and Spangled Old English Game Bantams and Spangled Cornish Bantams. The mottling gene also causes similar colors in Speckled Sussex, Jubilee Orpingtons, Swedish Flower Hens, and the colors Mille Fleur and Tolbunt. All of those have the mottling gene, on various patterns of red/gold and black.

The mottling gene causes a white tip on a feather, then a bit of black, and then the rest of the feather is colored according to the other color genes the chicken has. The "black" can become white or blue or any other modifier of black, and the "rest of the feather" ranges from black (Mottled Ancona) through brown shades (Speckled Sussex, Mille Fleur) to white (Silver Mille Fleur). There can be solid colors or lacing on that part of the feather too. I'm pretty sure Tolbunts have lacing on it, while Mille Fleurs are based on Buff Columbian, and Spangled Cornish have double lacing there.

I don't remember what the base pattern is for Jubilee Orpingtons, whether it is black tailed red (like Rhode Island Reds with mottling), or whether it is laced (black laced red).

That makes sense plus i was reading how they were developed and Spangled Old English game were primarily used to develop the color then bred back to one of the orpington colors ( sorry i was reading and taking notes at 330 am before work and until i read it againit wont be ingrained in my brain)

I really appreciate all the help..i probably ask some questions over again indifferent ways because i didnt quite get it ..

I am reading as much as i can and granted ive been put of school awhile but ive taken some 300-400 level biologies and wildlife/sustainable ag courses that werent around when i finished college in the last 10 years but this stuff is harder than any of my college courses..

Thanks
Nicole

 

[Ponyiqandhens2]

They've got mottling. Yes, Mahogany as well.

"Spangled" in chickens refers to two sets of colors, with very different genetics. I think they were named before the genes were studied or understood, but it can get quite confusing!

The color called "Spangled" in Hamburgs and Brabanters and Spitzhaubens is caused by a combination of genes, much like lacing is.

The other one is caused by the mottling gene. That is found in Spangled Russian Orloffs and Spangled Old English Game Bantams and Spangled Cornish Bantams. The mottling gene also causes similar colors in Speckled Sussex, Jubilee Orpingtons, Swedish Flower Hens, and the colors Mille Fleur and Tolbunt. All of those have the mottling gene, on various patterns of red/gold and black.

The mottling gene causes a white tip on a feather, then a bit of black, and then the rest of the feather is colored according to the other color genes the chicken has. The "black" can become white or blue or any other modifier of black, and the "rest of the feather" ranges from black (Mottled Ancona) through brown shades (Speckled Sussex, Mille Fleur) to white (Silver Mille Fleur). There can be solid colors or lacing on that part of the feather too. I'm pretty sure Tolbunts have lacing on it, while Mille Fleurs are based on Buff Columbian, and Spangled Cornish have double lacing there.

I don't remember what the base pattern is for Jubilee Orpingtons, whether it is black tailed red (like Rhode Island Reds with mottling), or whether it is laced (black laced red).

As to the last part.. not sure if mine are correct but their tails are mostly bblack with that irredescent green quality and a spangle at the end..

 

[MysteryChicken]

As to the last part.. not sure if mine are correct but their tails are mostly bblack with that irredescent green quality and a spangle at the end..

That cockerel has black breasts, so no Columbian with your Jubilee Orpingtons.

 

[NatJ]

As to the last part.. not sure if mine are correct but their tails are mostly bblack with that irredescent green quality and a spangle at the end..

That would mean they have a genetic makeup that includes black tails.
Unfortunately, most of the possibilities would have that anyway, so it doesn't cut down the options very much.

That cockerel has black breasts, so no Columbian with your Jubilee Orpingtons.

That is a good point. So probably not based on the common blacktailed red coloration that uses wheaten and columbian.

(Although I would have said he has "a black breast," because I think a chicken is considered to have one "breast," like how humans have one "chest.")

 

[NatJ]

I really appreciate all the help..i probably ask some questions over again indifferent ways because i didnt quite get it ..

I am reading as much as i can and granted ive been put of school awhile but ive taken some 300-400 level biologies and wildlife/sustainable ag courses that werent around when i finished college in the last 10 years but this stuff is harder than any of my college courses..

That sounds familiar I didn't have any biology after high school, and that textbook only had one chapter on genetics. So when I discovered chicken genetics, I spent quite a lot of hours reading and re-reading and thinking! By now I know enough of the basics that it's easier to learn the other parts, but I don't think I will ever know ALL there is to know on the subject.