The "Ask Anything" to Nicalandia Thread

[nicalandia]

So glad to see you're back, @nicalandia

Is this true?
An expert in a FB group said that to get Fibro from mixed breeding, the other parent has to have slate shanks.

As a sex-linked recessive, would all the sons of a fibro hen crossed with a white shanked rooster be carrying 1 copy of Fibro?
Or just some of them?
Am I better off crossing the fibro hen with a slate shanked rooster?
* for blue ears breeding, not super black skin.

@NatJ I would appreciate your input as well, if your computer is cooperating?

Fibromelanotic is an Autosomal Dominant gene designated Fm, pure breeds like Ayam Cemani and Silkie have two copies of Fm, so they are Fm/Fm and while Fibromelanosis is Autosomal it requires the recessive sex link dermal enhancer id+(recessive and wildtype)

In order to get all black/Dark skin progeny from a Silkie cross you need the other breed to have dark shanks because this means that they have the wildtype recessive sex link id+ mutation.

Let me give you some description:

White/Yellow rooster mated with a Silkie hen: All F1 chicks will inherit one copy of it's dad Dominant Sex Linked Dermal Inhibitor Id from dad and all of them will inherit a copy of Fibromelanosis from mother so all of them are Id/id+ Fm/fm+ males(light skin, non-fibro), females will be Id/-, Fm/fm+(Light skin, non-fibro).

Silkie/Cemani Rooster mated with a White/Yello Shank Hen: Males will be Id/id+, Fm/fm+(Light skin, non-fibro). Females will be id+/-, Fm/fm+(Dark skin, Fibro)

Silkie/Cemani Rooster mated with a Dark Shank hen: Males id+/id+ Fm/fm+(Fibro). Females id+/-, Fm/fm+(Fibro).

 

[Amer]

I have attempted to use it, but my brain doesn't compute the symbols for the genes yet. I need a reference sheet with a visual image of the actual gene on real life examples so I can start to actually "file" away what each abbreviation actually means. So when I use the calculator because I don't actually know what most of the stuff means, looks like, etc I can't really effectively use it

I have been looking for and asking around for some kind of reference sheet for all the genes but so far have not been successful in finding what I am looking for. I am a very visual learner so what I would really benefit from is something that said the laymen's

term•the symbol•then several real photos of that geneexpressing on different breeds

May I suggest:https://ourpipsnchicks.wixsite.com/poultry/chicken-genetics
My friend is working on this. She understands quail genetics a lot more than chickens so there are some mistakes but I try to review it and suggest changes. This has some of the genes. Additionally, I have a blog with all of the genes and their effects on Tumblr but that’s not super accessible to all people.
But I hope that but putting that information there, I have it so I can have it in the future.
I wonder if I could make a byc article… or something. Also I discovered a feature on the calculator far too late but I still find it useful. The “explain locus” button.

 

[NagemTX]

May I suggest:https://ourpipsnchicks.wixsite.com/poultry/chicken-genetics
My friend is working on this. She understands quail genetics a lot more than chickens so there are some mistakes but I try to review it and suggest changes. This has some of the genes. Additionally, I have a blog with all of the genes and their effects on Tumblr but that’s not super accessible to all people.
But I hope that but putting that information there, I have it so I can have it in the future.
I wonder if I could make a byc article… or something. Also I discovered a feature on the calculator far too late but I still find it useful. The “explain locus” button.View attachment 3903574

The explanation button is awesome on the calculator! There is also a version of the calculator that does crosses by actual breed. You choose the breeds and colors of them to cross. It's been very helpful.

 

[SwampPrincessChick]

The explanation button is awesome on the calculator! There is also a version of the calculator that does crosses by actual breed. You choose the breeds and colors of them to cross. It's been very helpful.

How do you find that version?

 

[NagemTX]

How do you find that version?

It's https://kippenjungle.nl/breeds/crossbreeds.html .

 

[RememberTheWay]

May I suggest:https://ourpipsnchicks.wixsite.com/poultry/chicken-genetics
My friend is working on this. She understands quail genetics a lot more than chickens so there are some mistakes but I try to review it and suggest changes. This has some of the genes. Additionally, I have a blog with all of the genes and their effects on Tumblr but that’s not super accessible to all people.
But I hope that but putting that information there, I have it so I can have it in the future.
I wonder if I could make a byc article… or something. Also I discovered a feature on the calculator far too late but I still find it useful. The “explain locus” button.View attachment 3903574

I didn't know about that feature actually. I like it, definitely helps, but again really wish it also included actual photos (not drawings) of how the gene expresses. I have read endless hours of materials on genetics, but I am finding that it is not "sticking". Meaning even though I'm reading it, I'm not making the right associations in my brain to be able to retain and properly recall the information I'm reading. If that makes sense.

I really want to be able understand what I'm seeing in my birds and how the genes interact with one another. I have a simple grasp of combs. I understand basics on shank colors but not everything and am expanding into how the shanks colors interact and how sex links are done using it. I have an beginner/better the most average flock managers understanding of color genetics. I understand black, blue, splash. I understand how self blue works. And most of how chocolate works and the sex linkage with it. I think I understand Recessive white and dominant white and how paint pens work. I start getting into trouble when I start considering things like how genes that aren't typically bred together will mesh or when patterns are involved. Columbian, partridge, duckwing, etc i mine as well be reading Japanese. It just doesn't compute and I can't visualize in my brain (my brain works in a way that when I think about something, I am "seeing" a mental image in my brain) what these things are in real life. Whether it's the word or the symbol. But especially the symbols. I have an understanding of how mottling works, but I'm still confused on how you would make MF from scratch. I understand silkie feathering vs smooth and I think I get how frizzle works. I understand muffs and beards and I think I get crest genetics. At least basics. I have no understanding of eye color genetics but I think I vaguely remember reading that dark eyes are recessive? Maybe
Lol.

I think I understand that blue, chocolate, and self blue are all dilutions of black genetically and I think chocolate and self blue can be used in place of black in breeding pens? I know self blue can. What about recessive white, because it's recessive too, can it be used to replace black in a pen? Would their be issus with doing this regarding possible leakage or only the obvious, possible white birds later if another breeder is. Carrier or you breed the offspring back or to one another?

I have no understanding of gold, cream, or melanizers.

Breeding forward good traits and selecting against bad or proper pairing for birds that may have defects (if that's what you have to work with) is still very basic understanding.

Breeding correct tail shape, length, and station I don't fully understand yet.

Lots to learn and of course some of what I listed has nothing to do with color genetics, just breeding selection in general.

Maybe you could pm me the link to your website ? I would love to read over it!

 

[Egg Snatcher]

Nicalandia is back!

Yay!!!

 

[RememberTheWay]

May I suggest:https://ourpipsnchicks.wixsite.com/poultry/chicken-genetics
My friend is working on this. She understands quail genetics a lot more than chickens so there are some mistakes but I try to review it and suggest changes. This has some of the genes. Additionally, I have a blog with all of the genes and their effects on Tumblr but that’s not super accessible to all people.
But I hope that but putting that information there, I have it so I can have it in the future.
I wonder if I could make a byc article… or something. Also I discovered a feature on the calculator far too late but I still find it useful. The “explain locus” button.View attachment 3903574

Can you tell me what this wording means on the calculator? They say "render" quite a bit. My current understanding of render is a bit like "change" as in if I render fat I take it from one state to another ? Is this being used in the same way or am I way off base? Btw I took a screenshot and highlighted some of the places it's being used

 

[Amer]

Can you tell me what this wording means on the calculator? They say "render" quite a bit. My current understanding of render is a bit like "change" as in if I render fat I take it from one state to another ? Is this being used in the same way or am I way off base? Btw I took a screenshot and highlighted some of the places it's being used

That is weird wording, imo.
But in their case I think it means “work together to create.”

I didn't know about that feature actually. I like it, definitely helps, but again really wish it also included actual photos (not drawings) of how the gene expresses. I have read endless hours of materials on genetics, but I am finding that it is not "sticking". Meaning even though I'm reading it, I'm not making the right associations in my brain to be able to retain and properly recall the information I'm reading. If that makes sense.

I really want to be able understand what I'm seeing in my birds and how the genes interact with one another. I have a simple grasp of combs. I understand basics on shank colors but not everything and am expanding into how the shanks colors interact and how sex links are done using it. I have an beginner/better the most average flock managers understanding of color genetics. I understand black, blue, splash. I understand how self blue works. And most of how chocolate works and the sex linkage with it. I think I understand Recessive white and dominant white and how paint pens work. I start getting into trouble when I start considering things like how genes that aren't typically bred together will mesh or when patterns are involved. Columbian, partridge, duckwing, etc i mine as well be reading Japanese. It just doesn't compute and I can't visualize in my brain (my brain works in a way that when I think about something, I am "seeing" a mental image in my brain) what these things are in real life. Whether it's the word or the symbol. But especially the symbols. I have an understanding of how mottling works, but I'm still confused on how you would make MF from scratch. I understand silkie feathering vs smooth and I think I get how frizzle works. I understand muffs and beards and I think I get crest genetics. At least basics. I have no understanding of eye color genetics but I think I vaguely remember reading that dark eyes are recessive? Maybe
Lol.

I think I understand that blue, chocolate, and self blue are all dilutions of black genetically and I think chocolate and self blue can be used in place of black in breeding pens? I know self blue can. What about recessive white, because it's recessive too, can it be used to replace black in a pen? Would their be issus with doing this regarding possible leakage or only the obvious, possible white birds later if another breeder is. Carrier or you breed the offspring back or to one another?

I have no understanding of gold, cream, or melanizers.

Breeding forward good traits and selecting against bad or proper pairing for birds that may have defects (if that's what you have to work with) is still very basic understanding.

Breeding correct tail shape, length, and station I don't fully understand yet.

Lots to learn and of course some of what I listed has nothing to do with color genetics, just breeding selection in general.

Maybe you could pm me the link to your website ? I would love to read over it!

Sure thing!
https://www.tumblr.com/birdgenetics?redirect_to=/birdgenetics&source=blog_view_login_wall
Unfortunately its on Tumblr which wants you to sign up for an account. You can bypass this by using a computer rather than mobile.
(Btw
Try to learn the e locus first: after that everything falls into place.)

 

[nicalandia]

I often ponder why some people just don't get chicken genetics, even the basics. But I also struggle with basic human interactions, so I supposed many of us have different strengths and weakness when it comes to different aspects of life.