The "Ask Anything" to Nicalandia Thread

[3KillerBs]

I wish there was some standardization of what symbol "really" goes with each gene, to avoid confusion!

It would make it so much easier to learn this stuff.

 

[MysteryChicken]

That article by Grant Brereton says, "It was Brian Reeder of the U.S. who observed that not only was the ‘non-sex-linked’ Gold (Red – which he named ‘Ap’) in breeds such as the aforementioned, but that its was present in many other varieties."

Here is an article by Brian Reeder about the subject:
http://brianreederbreeder.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-expression-suppression-and.html
I notice in this article he's calling it "Aph" rather than "Ap," so either he changed what he's calling it, or the author of the other article got it wrong.

@MysteryChicken yes, I'm sure it's pretty much the same thing as what you are showing photos of. But Brian Reeder's article tries to distinguish "autosomal red" (visual appearance) from Aph (gene that is partly responsible.)
I see the chicken calculator uses the symbol Ar. Is that where you got it from?

I wish there was some standardization of what symbol "really" goes with each gene, to avoid confusion!

Yes, since I wasn't really able to find a good article on Autosomal Red. Hard to learn more about a gene when you can't find the information you need.

Yes, it is confusing, with the different symbols that exist for genes, I try to stick with those that I can remember correctly/easily.

 

[ChicksnMore]

That article by Grant Brereton says, "It was Brian Reeder of the U.S. who observed that not only was the ‘non-sex-linked’ Gold (Red – which he named ‘Ap’) in breeds such as the aforementioned, but that its was present in many other varieties."

Here is an article by Brian Reeder about the subject:
http://brianreederbreeder.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-expression-suppression-and.html
I notice in this article he's calling it "Aph" rather than "Ap," so either he changed what he's calling it, or the author of the other article got it wrong.

@MysteryChicken yes, I'm sure it's pretty much the same thing as what you are showing photos of. But Brian Reeder's article tries to distinguish "autosomal red" (visual appearance) from Aph (gene that is partly responsible.)
I see the chicken calculator uses the symbol Ar. Is that where you got it from?

I wish there was some standardization of what symbol "really" goes with each gene, to avoid confusion!

That's the article I read that said mahogany can show on the top of the head with silver etc. I'll have to read it a couple times at least though. Lot of info in it. I'm glad to hear it sounds like it's an accurate article.

Me to on standardization...it sure would help.

 

[MysteryChicken]

That article by Grant Brereton says, "It was Brian Reeder of the U.S. who observed that not only was the ‘non-sex-linked’ Gold (Red – which he named ‘Ap’) in breeds such as the aforementioned, but that its was present in many other varieties."

Here is an article by Brian Reeder about the subject:
http://brianreederbreeder.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-expression-suppression-and.html
I notice in this article he's calling it "Aph" rather than "Ap," so either he changed what he's calling it, or the author of the other article got it wrong.

@MysteryChicken yes, I'm sure it's pretty much the same thing as what you are showing photos of. But Brian Reeder's article tries to distinguish "autosomal red" (visual appearance) from Aph (gene that is partly responsible.)
I see the chicken calculator uses the symbol Ar. Is that where you got it from?

I wish there was some standardization of what symbol "really" goes with each gene, to avoid confusion!

Okay, that article is helpful, I can now identify other carriers of the Autosomal Red gene in my other birds.

So, this includes these guys. None silver based birds though.
Red JungleFowl

Gave our friends this cockerel. CrackerFowl X Silkie.

Goliath

Long

Big Fatty

Let these be more examples.

 

[Egg Snatcher]

@troyer I’ve got another question about my silkies. Because I’m breeding a blue to a possible black, will some of the chicks be split for black, if my rooster is black? And is their a chance that any will have smooth frizzle feathers or will half be sizzle half be Silkie?

Is it true if you breed a black Silkie to a white Silkie you get a paint? Thanks

 

[3KillerBs]

@troyer I’ve got another question about my silkies. Because I’m breeding a blue to a possible black, will some of the chicks be split for black, if my rooster is black? And is their a chance that any will have smooth frizzle feathers or will half be sizzle half be Silkie?

Is it true if you breed a black Silkie to a white Silkie you get a paint? Thanks

Breeding a blue to a black gives you 50% blue.

What's happening is that the gene for blue gives blue when the bird is heterozygous -- one blue gene and one black. Homozygous for the blue gene gives splash. Black has no blue genes.

Here's a chart:

 

[Egg Snatcher]

Breeding a blue to a black gives you 50% blue.

What's happening is that the gene for blue gives blue when the bird is heterozygous -- one blue gene and one black. Homozygous for the blue gene gives splash. Black has no blue genes.

Here's a chart:

Thanks! Was just wondering, I saw a chart for breeding chocolate and it showed some being split for chocolate, so I didn’t know if it worked the same for blue. Thank you

 

[grizleyguy]

Are blue Australorp just selective breeding of black Australorp. If so what are the blue markers to look for.

 

[JacinLarkwell]

Is it true if you breed a black Silkie to a white Silkie you get a paint?

Only if the white is dominant white and not recessive

 

[troyer]

@troyer I’ve got another question about my silkies. Because I’m breeding a blue to a possible black, will some of the chicks be split for black, if my rooster is black? And is their a chance that any will have smooth frizzle feathers or will half be sizzle half be Silkie?

Is it true if you breed a black Silkie to a white Silkie you get a paint? Thanks

Because I’m breeding a blue to a possible black, will some of the chicks be split for black, if my rooster is black?

Breeding blue to black should produce half blue and half black offspring. When breeding blue to blue you will statistically get 25% black, 50% blue, 25% splash. So from the perspective of breeding blue to blue it could seem as though the black was hiding in the blue.
The chart that 3KillerBs provided is a good reference for color.

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And is their a chance that any will have smooth frizzle feathers or will half be sizzle half be Silkie?

If both of your breeders are are silkie without the frizzle gene the offspring will just be silkie. Two silkies don't produce smooth feathered offspring and as long as there is no frizzle gene in either parent the offspring will all be silkie, no frizzles or sizzles.

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Is it true if you breed a black Silkie to a white Silkie you get a paint? Thanks
I don't understand what is usually considered paint, unless it is simply a derivative of dominant white. I have had discussions concerning it and it seems whoever and myself that is in the discussion are never able to connect on whether it's a derivative or a seperate gene. I know how dominant white works, but from the discussions it seems I don't understand paint. In my breeding endeavors I have gotten chickens that in appearance look like the paint silkies, but they came from my dominant white birds and when they were bred to solid colored birds they produced just like the normal dominant whites do.
I'll have to leave that to the silkie color experts. Here is a silkie thread.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/silkies-they’re-simply-spectacular.1334299/post-26551705