The "Ask Anything" to Nicalandia Thread

[NatJ]

And would it jut be easier to breed her to a porcelain D’Uccles rather than fawn?

As regards color genetics, that would be much easier.

Which mating is better would depend on what results you want in the chicks: pure for OEGB traits but mixed for color, or pure for color but mixed for OEGB and d'Uccle traits.

@NatJ i am going to breed my porcelain OEGB hen to my Fawn OEGB so I can continue the porcelain color, a cording to the calculator I’ll get this

What does all this mean? I know the chicks will be recessive lavender and recessive mottled

Yes, the chicks should all carry mottling and lavender (recessive genes) but without showing those traits.

Taking the rest in a slightly different order than you listed it:

25% Pullets, black patterned silver incomplete-columbian

These pullets are the easiest.

They look mostly Silver Columbian, probably with bits of black in some extra places.

They inherited the Silver from the Khaki OEGB father, and the Columbian gene from the Porcelain d'Uccle mother.

The Khaki OEGB would have e+ wildtype/duckwing at the e-locus, and a Porcelain d'Uccle should have E^Wh Wheaten, but I do not know what the Porcelain OEGB has. They may have e+ or E^Wh or some of each (because they were probably developed by crossing Porcelain d'Uccles with OEGB, and either e-locus gene can work to give more-or-less correct Porcelain coloring.)

So the chicks might be pure e+/e+ wildtype at the e-locus, or they might be E^Wh/e+, or there might be some each way. You might or might not be able to tell by looking at the colors of the chick down.

25% Pullets, fawn/dun patterned silver incomplete-columbian

Just like their sisters (described above), except that these pullets inherited the gene for fawn/dun from their father, so all their "black" areas are fawn-colored instead.

25% Cockerels, fawn/dun patterned yellow/golden*S columbian
25% Cockerels, black patterned yellow/golden*S columbian
*S = heterozygous Silver S/s+
What does all this mean? I know the chicks will be recessive lavender and recessive mottled
And would it jut be easier to breed her to a porcelain D’Uccles rather than fawn?

The cockerels will mostly look like their sisters (some with black, some with fawn/dun)

But on the cockerels, as they grow up, the "silver" will probably look a bit yellowish (because they inherited the gold gene from their Porcelain OEGB mother, in addition to the Silver gene from their Khaki OEGB father.)

 

[Egg Snatcher]

As regards color genetics, that would be much easier.

Which mating is better would depend on what results you want in the chicks: pure for OEGB traits but mixed for color, or pure for color but mixed for OEGB and d'Uccle traits.




Yes, the chicks should all carry mottling and lavender (recessive genes) but without showing those traits.

Taking the rest in a slightly different order than you listed it:


These pullets are the easiest.

They look mostly Silver Columbian, probably with bits of black in some extra places.

They inherited the Silver from the Khaki OEGB father, and the Columbian gene from the Porcelain d'Uccle mother.

The Khaki OEGB would have e+ wildtype/duckwing at the e-locus, and a Porcelain d'Uccle should have E^Wh Wheaten, but I do not know what the Porcelain OEGB has. They may have e+ or E^Wh or some of each (because they were probably developed by crossing Porcelain d'Uccles with OEGB, and either e-locus gene can work to give more-or-less correct Porcelain coloring.)

So the chicks might be pure e+/e+ wildtype at the e-locus, or they might be E^Wh/e+, or there might be some each way. You might or might not be able to tell by looking at the colors of the chick down.


Just like their sisters (described above), except that these pullets inherited the gene for fawn/dun from their father, so all their "black" areas are fawn-colored instead.


The cockerels will mostly look like their sisters (some with black, some with fawn/dun)

But on the cockerels, as they grow up, the "silver" will probably look a bit yellowish (because they inherited the gold gene from their Porcelain OEGB mother, in addition to the Silver gene from their Khaki OEGB father.)

Thanks!
How many generations does it take to get the recessive white gene to breed out of a color? I’ve bred my white Silkie to a blue Silkie and kept the blue and black babies. I plan to breed the babies together to produce blue, splash and black silkies. Will some hatch out white?

 

[NatJ]

How many generations does it take to get the recessive white gene to breed out of a color?

To breed out recessive white takes anywhere from two generations to many more, and may never happen.

When you bred your white Silkie to your blue Silkie and kept the black & blue babies, every one of those babies carries the recessive white gene. (1 generation of breeding)

When a chicken that carries recessive white (not showing it) is bred to a chicken like itself, some of the chicks will inherit the not-recessive-white gene from each parent. Those chicks are free of recessive white. (2nd generation of breeding, earliest possible generation to get chickens with no recessive white gene.)

But a chicken that carries recessive white can pass the recessive white gene on to its own chicks, who in turn can pass it to the next generation. This can continue for one generation after another after another, and there is no specific number of generations that will definitely be free of the recessive white gene.

I’ve bred my white Silkie to a blue Silkie and kept the blue and black babies. I plan to breed the babies together to produce blue, splash and black silkies. Will some hatch out white?

Yes, I would expect about 25% to hatch out white (1 in 4) in that generation.
About 50% (2 in 4) will show color but carry the gene for recessive white.
About 25% (1 in 4) will show color and will NOT carry the gene for recessive white.

From that generation, if you want to get rid of the white, you could use the whites to test-mate the others, to identify which ones carry white and which ones do not. If you mate a colored chicken (carries recessive white) to a recessive white chicken, about half of the chicks will be white. If you breed a colored chicken to a recessive white chicken and hatch about 8 colored chicks with no white ones, that colored chicken most likely does not carry recessive white.

If you can reach a point when all your colored chickens have been tested and do not carry recessive white, then you are free of recessive white unless you breed it in again.

For the specific ones you have now, if your original blue silkie does not carry recessive white, you could breed it to some of the babies. That will not produce any white chicks, but half of them will carry recessive white and half will not (better odds than if you breed the current babies to each other.)

 

[lilwanderer]

EDIT:
Just discovered that all 5 of my current chicks belong to the polish, so I guess he's the problem with so many blues. Is it him though? Or is it just my luck?
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I hatched some chicks, around a dozen so far, not all at the same time.
I'm aware that I'll probably have to hatch another dozen or so to really see if there's a problem, just wanting to know what you say.
The question is, I have two supposedly blue males, one being a polish (with heavy leakage) and an ameraucana, and I hatched eggs from my splash maran hen. They're the fathers.
Out of the 12 chicks that hatched and a few dead in egg that I cracked open- Only 1 was splash, the rest are all blue. Is this weird?
The ameraucana:

The polish: (His father was black crested blue with red leakage like him, and his mother was a black crested blue hen (no leakage)):

The splash maran hen:

Also figured I should add, the maran is broody and currently has her own egg hatching. The chick hasn't started unzipping yet, but already looks like a blue based off what I can see. This would be the 12th blue chick that has hatched from her.

 

[lilwanderer]

I hatched some chicks, around a dozen so far, not all at the same time.
I'm aware that I'll probably have to hatch another dozen or so to really see if there's a problem, just wanting to know what you say.
The question is, I have two supposedly blue males, one being a polish (with heavy leakage) and an ameraucana, and I hatched eggs from my splash maran hen. They're the fathers.
Out of the 12 chicks that hatched and a few dead in egg that I cracked open- Only 1 was splash, the rest are all blue. Is this weird?
The ameraucana:
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The polish: (His father was black crested blue with red leakage like him, and his mother was a black crested blue hen (no leakage)):
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The splash maran hen:
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Also figured I should add, the maran is broody and currently has her own egg hatching. The chick hasn't started unzipping yet, but already looks like a blue based off what I can see. This would be the 12th blue chick that has hatched from her.

I currently only have 5 running around, 1 being the splash.

While taking pictures I did notice once was a lot darker, not really black to me but still dark.
I would think this one would be lighter with the white markings but maybe it doesn't work like that:

And here's the splash:

 

[Egg Snatcher]

To breed out recessive white takes anywhere from two generations to many more, and may never happen.

When you bred your white Silkie to your blue Silkie and kept the black & blue babies, every one of those babies carries the recessive white gene. (1 generation of breeding)

When a chicken that carries recessive white (not showing it) is bred to a chicken like itself, some of the chicks will inherit the not-recessive-white gene from each parent. Those chicks are free of recessive white. (2nd generation of breeding, earliest possible generation to get chickens with no recessive white gene.)

But a chicken that carries recessive white can pass the recessive white gene on to its own chicks, who in turn can pass it to the next generation. This can continue for one generation after another after another, and there is no specific number of generations that will definitely be free of the recessive white gene.


Yes, I would expect about 25% to hatch out white (1 in 4) in that generation.
About 50% (2 in 4) will show color but carry the gene for recessive white.
About 25% (1 in 4) will show color and will NOT carry the gene for recessive white.

From that generation, if you want to get rid of the white, you could use the whites to test-mate the others, to identify which ones carry white and which ones do not. If you mate a colored chicken (carries recessive white) to a recessive white chicken, about half of the chicks will be white. If you breed a colored chicken to a recessive white chicken and hatch about 8 colored chicks with no white ones, that colored chicken most likely does not carry recessive white.

If you can reach a point when all your colored chickens have been tested and do not carry recessive white, then you are free of recessive white unless you breed it in again.

For the specific ones you have now, if your original blue silkie does not carry recessive white, you could breed it to some of the babies. That will not produce any white chicks, but half of them will carry recessive white and half will not (better odds than if you breed the current babies to each other.)

Thanks you!

 

[Egg Snatcher]

Sorry @NatJ, I want to make sure I have this correct
Partridge (recessive white) x Partridge (recessive white) = Partridge (recessive white), Partridge, and White chicks
I plan to only keep the partridges

Paint Sultan (recessive white) x Black (recessive white)= white, both non recessive white and recessive white black and paints
I just plan on keeping the paints from this pairing

Is recessive lavender the same as recessive white where it’s hard to remove?
Do chickens carry recessive genes for comb types?
And vulture hocks a confusing! Piped mentioned in a thread that vulture hocks are considered a recessive gene, but reportedly have some slight expression when heterozygous. I know from experience not all the chicks will get vulture hocks from a pairing if one parent had them and another did not. Why would you not get chicks with 100% vulture hocks if I’ve been only keeping back vultured birds and breeding them together. I still get chicks with like I’m not even sure… I’ll attach a photo. It’s kinda like tiny vulture hocks, but not stiff

Thank you for your help NatJ!

 

[NatJ]

Sorry @NatJ, I want to make sure I have this correct
Partridge (recessive white) x Partridge (recessive white) = Partridge (recessive white), Partridge, and White chicks
I plan to only keep the partridges

That sounds right

Paint Sultan (recessive white) x Black (recessive white)= white, both non recessive white and recessive white black and paints
I just plan on keeping the paints from this pairing

I think you have that right.
Some chicks will show recessive white
Some chicks will show black: some of them will carry recessive white and some will not
Some chicks will show paint: some of them will carry recessive white and some will not

(Re-stating it to check if you meant the same thing I think you meant.)

Is recessive lavender the same as recessive white where it’s hard to remove?

Yes, removing lavender is just as hard as removing recessive white.

Do chickens carry recessive genes for comb types?

Yes.

Single comb is recessive to rose comb.
Single comb is partly recessive to pea comb and duplex/v comb.

By "partly recessive," I mean a chicken with two pea comb genes will usually look a little different than a chicken with one pea comb gene. Ditto duplex/v comb.

Rose comb is completely dominant over single comb, meaning you cannot tell by looking at a chicken whether it is pure for rose comb, or carries one gene for not-rose comb.

Rose, pea, and V/duplex comb are caused by different genes.
A single comb is genetically not-rose, not-pea, not-duplex (three different recessive genes, at three different spots on the chromosomes.)

Rose + pea makes a walnut comb (cushion, strawberry, walnut: different names for that basic comb type.)

And vulture hocks a confusing! Piped mentioned in a thread that vulture hocks are considered a recessive gene, but reportedly have some slight expression when heterozygous. I know from experience not all the chicks will get vulture hocks from a pairing if one parent had them and another did not. Why would you not get chicks with 100% vulture hocks if I’ve been only keeping back vultured birds and breeding them together. I still get chicks with like I’m not even sure… I’ll attach a photo. It’s kinda like tiny vulture hocks, but not stiff

Unfortunately, I don't know about vulture hocks.

 

[Egg Snatcher]

That sounds right


I think you have that right.
Some chicks will show recessive white
Some chicks will show black: some of them will carry recessive white and some will not
Some chicks will show paint: some of them will carry recessive white and some will not

(Re-stating it to check if you meant the same thing I think you meant.)


Yes, removing lavender is just as hard as removing recessive white.


Yes.

Single comb is recessive to rose comb.
Single comb is partly recessive to pea comb and duplex/v comb.

By "partly recessive," I mean a chicken with two pea comb genes will usually look a little different than a chicken with one pea comb gene. Ditto duplex/v comb.

Rose comb is completely dominant over single comb, meaning you cannot tell by looking at a chicken whether it is pure for rose comb, or carries one gene for not-rose comb.

Rose, pea, and V/duplex comb are caused by different genes.
A single comb is genetically not-rose, not-pea, not-duplex (three different recessive genes, at three different spots on the chromosomes.)

Rose + pea makes a walnut comb (cushion, strawberry, walnut: different names for that basic comb type.)


Unfortunately, I don't know about vulture hocks.

Thank you!

 

[Finnie]

I currently only have 5 running around, 1 being the splash.
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While taking pictures I did notice once was a lot darker, not really black to me but still dark.
I would think this one would be lighter with the white markings but maybe it doesn't work like that:
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And here's the splash:
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Nobody has answered, so I will take a stab. From your splash Marans and a blue rooster, yes, it is weird to only get one splash chick out of 12. But not impossible. When we talk about what percentages to expect from a mating, those percentages apply to each chick. So each chick has a 50% chance of being splash or blue. So in theory, you could “roll the dice” 100 times, and still have blue come up 100 times. But yeah, normally we wouldn’t expect that to happen. Keep “rolling the dice”. If you hatch out a large enough number of offspring, your percentages should likely move closer to half and half.

I do have a question. This chick doesn’t really look like it was sired by either an Ameraucana or a Polish. Is it possible there is some other (non blue) rooster sneaking in?

I don’t see signs of a crest or a beard, although maybe the crest could show up later?