The best chicken wormer? And how often?

[Fawn and Fam]

After researching I chose Safe-Guard liquid dewormer for goats. It's less expensive than Valbazen and like flockwatcher mentioned kills everything that Valbazen does except tapeworms. I inspect the droppings and if I saw those would then purchase the more expensive one. Also you do not need to withhold food like w/ some other wormers, that will help prevent them from getting crop impacts. Best of all w/ Safe-Guard there is no withdrawal time, so you don't lose any eggs

. Here is the link stating that: https://www.ihc-poultry.com/page/product-SafeGuard/159

After the deworming process it would be a good idea to follow it up w/ 3 days of vitamins and probiotics

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[Tmatthews]

Thank you!!!!!!!! That's good news! I hate throwing out eggs!!!!

 

[casportpony]

After researching I chose Safe-Guard liquid dewormer for goats. It's less expensive than Valbazen and like flockwatcher mentioned kills everything that Valbazen does except tapeworms. I inspect the droppings and if I saw those would then purchase the more expensive one. Also you do not need to withhold food like w/ some other wormers, that will help prevent them from getting crop impacts. Best of all w/ Safe-Guard there is no withdrawal time, so you don't lose any eggs

. Here is the link stating that: https://www.ihc-poultry.com/page/product-SafeGuard/159

After the deworming process it would be a good idea to follow it up w/ 3 days of vitamins and probiotics

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This study says otherwise:
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6750887
Efficacy of fenbendazole against helminth parasites of poultry in Uganda.

Ssenyonga GS.
Abstract

Fenbendazole 4% (Panacur, Hoechst) administered in feed was used to treat chickens infected with Ascaridia galli, Heterakis gallinarum and Railletina spp. It was also used to treat Syngamus trachea in broiler birds. There was a marked drop in helminth egg counts in the faeces on the second day of treatment and the faeces became negative by the seventh day after the last treatment. Post-mortem examination 15 to 21 days later showed that the drug was 100% effective against Ascaridia galli and Heterakis gallinarum at 10 mg/kg. However, for complete removal of Railletina spp. 15 mg/kg was required. Similarly 20 mg/kg fenbendazole was effective against Syngamus trachea. It was concluded that fenbendazole is suitable for the treatment of the important intestinal and tracheal worms of poultry, a dose of 15 to 20 mg/kg for 3 consecutive days being recommended for use under field conditions.

Ascaridia galli = Roundworm
Heterakis gallinarum = Cecal worm
Railletina spp = Tapeworm
Syngamus trachea = Gapeworm


I'm not positve, but I don't think a single dose of Valbazen gets gapeworms, but several days in a row probably would.

-Kathy

 

[rbaker0345]

I rotate my dewormers on a three month cycle. I use fenbendazole for three days and then 10 days later I give another three days (parasites have a lifecycle that you have to deal with, the wormer will kill adults and larvae but not eggs, so you do the second dose 10-14 days after the first in order to get any that hatched after you gave the first dose before they can lay THEIR eggs). Then three months after I have given the second dose of fenbendazole, I use wazine, again I redose following the instructions on the bottle.

Three months after the second dose of wazine, I use maybe a pyrantel dewormer and then three months after that I use a moxidectin/praziquantel (being very sparing with the dosage of this because, while it is awesome at killing tapes, it is also quite adept at stressing the kidneys). Then I go back to the fenbendazole and maybe somewhere in there I use some valbazen (though it is very expensive).

I have a large flock of birds and I will use an oral paste sometimes, but I use pelleted dewormers whenever possible especially for things like the pyrantel and fenbendazole because you have such a large range of safe effective dosage for those two. I really only use the praziquantel when I see tapeworms or find their eggs in a fecal flotation and that is not only because of the safety issues but because giving oral paste dewormer to that many birds can be a real pain.

 

[casportpony]

I dread the time when I have to worm 40 peafowl three days in a row! Or 15 horses five days in a row, lol.

-Kathy

 

[rbaker0345]

Just as an aside. Interestingly, I had a chicken pick up those nasty eye worms (from a palmetto bug probably) and I thought she was a goner for sure so, not having any of that red dye to place under her nictitating membrane, I tried the dilution of ivermectin (diluted with water 1::4) directly in the eyes and to my surprise it really works and it works well. I kept her isolated and I gave her the first dose as soon as I noticed it, then I flushed with saline (the kind for contacts) for five days. Three days after the first dose of ivermectin, I gave her a dose of pyrantel paste and then I did the ivermectin again, five days after I did the first ivermectin flush. That cleared it up completely but just to be sure, I kept her separated for another five days and flushed again. She seems fine and I'm going to keep an "eye" open for anyone else coming down with it. Ugh, I can't believe that one of my chickens picked up a schistozome, the thought of it makes me cringe.

You can confirm the presence of eye worm (as opposed to the swelling being caused by an infection or some kind of injury) by simply taking a swab of the inside of the eyelid and looking at it under the microscope. I took a sterile swab and wet it with saline and rubbed the inside of her bottom eyelid where I could see some sort of yellow cheesy plaque. I set the swab on a slide and I dropped a few drops of saline onto the swab and then mushed it around on the slide and then covered it with a cover slip. I saw a ton of very narrow, ovate eggs, about the size of your average coccidia, but more oval and they had very small nuclei which were also very oval and sat right in the center of the egg.

 

[rbaker0345]

I dread the time when I have to worm 40 peafowl three days in a row! Or 15 horses five days in a row, lol.

-Kathy

I tried using the paste on my muscovies for three days in a row. By the third day, I only got three (of the 26) and my husband and I both had to take painkillers for our backs. I use the pellets for those guys now. If I can put them in a coop and then pull one out at a time, I will give the paste just to make sure of everyone getting dosed, but for those ducks, its the pellets from now on.

 

[casportpony]

Just as an aside. Interestingly, I had a chicken pick up those nasty eye worms (from a palmetto bug probably) and I thought she was a goner for sure so, not having any of that red dye to place under her nictitating membrane, I tried the dilution of ivermectin (diluted with water 1::4) directly in the eyes and to my surprise it really works and it works well. I kept her isolated and I gave her the first dose as soon as I noticed it, then I flushed with saline (the kind for contacts) for five days. Three days after the first dose of ivermectin, I gave her a dose of pyrantel paste and then I did the ivermectin again, five days after I did the first ivermectin flush. That cleared it up completely but just to be sure, I kept her separated for another five days and flushed again. She seems fine and I'm going to keep an "eye" open for anyone else coming down with it. Ugh, I can't believe that one of my chickens picked up a schistozome, the thought of it makes me cringe.

You can confirm the presence of eye worm (as opposed to the swelling being caused by an infection or some kind of injury) by simply taking a swab of the inside of the eyelid and looking at it under the microscope. I took a sterile swab and wet it with saline and rubbed the inside of her bottom eyelid where I could see some sort of yellow cheesy plaque. I set the swab on a slide and I dropped a few drops of saline onto the swab and then mushed it around on the slide and then covered it with a cover slip. I saw a ton of very narrow, ovate eggs, about the size of your average coccidia, but more oval and they had very small nuclei which were also very oval and sat right in the center of the egg.

Interesting... all the more reason for me to get the lab set up.

-Kathy

 

[dawg53]

Quote:

Abstract

Fenbendazole 4% (Panacur, Hoechst) administered in feed was used to treat chickens infected with Ascaridia galli, Heterakis gallinarum and Railletina spp. It was also used to treat Syngamus trachea in broiler birds. There was a marked drop in helminth egg counts in the faeces on the second day of treatment and the faeces became negative by the seventh day after the last treatment. Post-mortem examination 15 to 21 days later showed that the drug was 100% effective against Ascaridia galli and Heterakis gallinarum at 10 mg/kg. However, for complete removal of Railletina spp. 15 mg/kg was required. Similarly 20 mg/kg fenbendazole was effective against Syngamus trachea. It was concluded that fenbendazole is suitable for the treatment of the important intestinal and tracheal worms of poultry, a dose of 15 to 20 mg/kg for 3 consecutive days being recommended for use under field conditions.

Ascaridia galli = Roundworm
Heterakis gallinarum = Cecal worm
Railletina spp = Tapeworm
Syngamus trachea = Gapeworm


I'm not positve, but I don't think a single dose of Valbazen gets gapeworms, but several days in a row probably would.

-Kathy

Valbazen kills all known types of worms that chickens can get including ALL types of tapeworms. Different types of tapeworms in this link:
http://animal-health.library4farmin...ltry/Tapeworms-of-Chickens-and-Turkeys-1.html

 

[casportpony]

Does the term Raillietina spp not cover all species of tapes? I honestly don't know...

-Kathy