the Blackest Ones: on exploring the significance of Cemani mutations

[gootziecat]

Quote: It's a good thing we don't live closer to each other. We'd be in kahoots for sure.

 

[Chambertin]

Right now it is Michigan.
Probably be here for a long time unless a job pans out in Japan or Maine.
Looking for someplace long term with room enough for crowing and a decent pay the bills job nearby.
Right now I have the job, but no desirable land. Hopefully some opens up, but I have room for a few hens and maybe one sneaky rooster.

Shipping is no problem to me, I even got some advanced info on direct air ship with the major airlines.
If I find some birds that let me get stared again, its worth it.

EDIT: I should say "eggs that get me started again." live birds are more trouble, and more paperwork.

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Finally! Here are some of this years hatch of *DipsyGoths*.
I think I mentioned I'm obsessed ; )

There is a crested bantam in this pic, too.

And some of the Naked Neck Green-Egger DipsyGoths : )

I'm patiently waiting for this generation to start laying so I can shuffle-up the breeding pens.

 

[Chambertin]

Very nice & making me jealous again

 

[Dipsy Doodle Doo]

Thanks!
This blue 'green-egger' cockerel is going in the breeding pen.

 

[Allyn]

 

[Chambertin]

Some good looking birds you have there.

 

[farmerChef]

Thanks!
This blue 'green-egger' cockerel is going in the breeding pen.

Are you selling eggs yet?

 

[joe mac]

DDD you've already launched your ship. May your Grey Lady meet the furthest shores.

For the rest of you, that don't have the feathered thumb of Dipsy Doodle Doo, follow the blue print. And please, someone with a linear brain please draw this out?

Let me try again.

A. Bantam Sumatran sire X Black Java dam= F1 " New- Sunda" ; Cull all roosters save for one.
Retain the one F1 New Sunda rooster and breed him back to his mother the Black Java.
All F1 New Sunda hens are saved for future breeding- select the best conformation and size. Don't worry about the pigmentation.
B. F2 females produced from Black Java Dam bred back to her own son are selected for pigmentation. Don't worry about conformation or size; Cull all roosters save for one.
Retain the one F2 New Sunda Rooster and breed him back to his mother/grandmother the Black Java ( or one of her full sisters if she passes away)

C. Another rooster, which I will leave a mystery for now, but of a readily procurable South East Asian breed, is placed with the F1 New Sunda Hens producing F2a
D. darkest F2 New Sunda hens are bred with darkest F2a males.

I'll hold there for now.
C.

So, I've read this thread something like four times. I think what you are saying is that if you start with the baseline genetics that the FM birds started with you will have a genetically relevant base of stock on which to work with. I also think you are saying that if you start with the right baseline genetics, the FM gene will start to show up as a mutation on it's own? And do you then select for that? How many generations do you continue the above breeding?

What's the "readily procurable South East Asian breed" to continue the line?

 

[ChooksChick]