the Blackest Ones: on exploring the significance of Cemani mutations

[welasharon]

I too was thinking how great he looked!

 

[artblueggwanter]

he is very nice

 

[artblueggwanter]

This young pullet was another of my first crossings to my Araucana hens, yellow skinned. This pullet's sire is a "cull" Cemani. Pale grey skin, white mouth, several white toenails, white ear lobes, mulberry wattles, silver neck and saddle hackles......the mother of this chick is a silver duckwing Araucana. Yellow skinned, bright red face, wattles/ear lobes/comb. Not gypsy faced...nothing to suggest black.

The chick's skin is darker than the Cemani sire's. Even some black in the mouth and the tip of the tongue is black.

I believe that it is possible, that there are genes that can enhance fibro as well as inhibit fibro. I have to wonder if the poor quality Cemani rooster has something that inhibits the expression of the black? And the hen did not have that, or she had something to enhance it? I haven't figured it out yet. The roo is directly from Toni Marie. I know that some breeders have crossed TM lines to GFF and gotten better chicks. There has to be a reason.......

I have been watching on FB at the crosses people are making and wondering if there are certain breeds that express more?
edited to add that this pullet and the above chicks I posted are all from the same pairing.

im curious, she lay blue eggs or is the cemani white egg dominant?

 

[artblueggwanter]

black sumatras have black faces , would they work for this?

 

[bluenkimchi]

black sumatras have black faces , would they work for this?

Yes, they would help........sumatrans have the gypsy face gene.........that bred to a fibro would enhance the facial to be very dark, but body not so much yet...........but once a bird is double does of fibro and gypsy face, then now we're talking a black everything bird.......lol.........well that is my understanding anyway

 

[artblueggwanter]

a cemani or svarts with a pea comb would be nice hey and why not add a long beautiful tail right

 

[bluenkimchi]

a cemani or svarts with a pea comb would be nice hey and why not add a long beautiful tail right

only in the west, are cemani consider single/straight comb....in their native homeland....they also come in pea, rose, blade and carnation type comb as well....I'll get some of those pictures later...

 

[artblueggwanter]

only in the west, are cemani consider single/straight comb....in their native homeland....they also come in pea, rose, blade and carnation type comb as well....I'll get some of those pictures later...

that is so interesting to know . I truly did not know. I honestly would prefer a pea comb smallest of all combs right. what are your thoughts on the black quechua olmecs?

 

[artblueggwanter]

any chance the west might revise the strait comb standard to include all comb or is this blasphemy

 

[bluenkimchi]

that is so interesting to know . I truly did not know. I honestly would prefer a pea comb smallest of all combs right. what are your thoughts on the black quechua olmecs?

any chance the west might revise the strait comb standard to include all comb or is this blasphemy

chances of the west's AC club revising are none....there isn't even a a prototype bird produced as of yet....last i heard.....they want a indo type looking bird...but i haven't seen any Ac produceed that comes close to that standard they are striving to achieved yet.....it's possible the folks in those clubs may produce a similar bird of that said stated standard in the future...but so far...haven't seen anything close to the indo bird's form yet....guess we'll just ride out and see what they can produce......the black olmec quechua....they are nice birds.....not my type of birds....but they do seem more hardy in weathering the elements...where as AC will need more winter protection from frostbite and such....the BQO are said to derived from the green jungle fowl hybrids...which both types of birds share...though AC has more gjf in them than the BQO does....