the Blackest Ones: on exploring the significance of Cemani mutations

[revolutionmama]

one more question, where does his white lobes come from?

- Dragon Bone

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Everything I know about the stock is provided on this thread. I don't know why Renee thought he had Minorca genetics. He's typical hsian tulang naga- hatched from Cemani morph parents. Dragon Bone ( hsian tulang naga) is the "wild type" throw back that hatch in every clutch of cemani.

 

[Resolution]

I think it's pretty well covered on this thread? There certainly is some % of Mediterranean genetics in the Ayam Pelung as I wrote early on and both the Tonkin Red/ Indonesian Red JF and the Green JF have dramatically coloured ear lobes. The Minorca is certainly used to create Cemani morphs but you have to have the right genetics to work with. I send founder stock to poultiers with hopes they'll work with that stock to better the lineages. I do recall making a suggestion to Renee about possible inclusion of Minorca in a specific cross to pair with offspring of this bird but that was one of those examples of hot and cold and here and there and over there but hardly anything resembling cooperative effort at this point. I thought all the stock had perished in the heat wave this summer.


I don't know exactly why Cemani morphs are so black that we cannot see their striking earlobes while their full siblings will sometimes exhibit dramatic ones but I think it has something to do with their hyper pigmentation. I would guess that upwards of 35% of the dragonbone will exhibit dramatic earlobe skin.

 

[revolutionmama]

I haven't sold any stock of the NA Ameraucana BB project, and was not my intention for the stewardship in which was offered to me to be thrown away. All offspring (which is few) is all with me and has not been bred back to Dragon Bones.

I haven't let go of any of the birds I've hatched from Dragon Bones. I keep tight records, and even continue to breed other stewertship opportunities. After the Ameraucana experiment (in which was a Show Quality Black Hen until my very sought out breeding stock shipped to me, was exciting to me. Please don't think I've disregarded the Indonesian stock opportunity because that was and still is my main goal.)

I followed each and every step of the Cemani Stewardship breeding program discussed -up to the last breeding with Dragon Bones being excellent stock of SQ Black Sumatra hens. I haven't fallen off the beaten path and continue to honer and put responsibility into Ayam Cemani Indonesian stock. Lots of money, time, and effort. With my move I still continue to honer what opportunity you have given me and will continue with utmost respect.

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Everything I know about the stock is provided on this thread. I don't know why Renee thought he had Minorca genetics. He's typical hsian tulang naga- hatched from Cemani morph parents. Dragon Bone ( hsian tulang naga) is the "wild type" throw back that hatch in every clutch of cemani. I was mortified that you crossed them into Ameraucana.
So much for the stewarship of imported lines right? But then I see what you've created and appreciate the originality. You're truly one of a kind- a pioneer poultier- not many of those around any longer. I just hope that that stock remains its own distinct entity and doesn't end up being bred back into the imported stock. It almost seems as if your black boned blue egg layers are more appropriate for North American poultry enthusiasts than Indonesian stock. Please create a registry and oblige anyone that procures birds from you maintains that registry /pedigrees.

 

[revolutionmama]

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*I have the offspring of the perished stock in the KS heatwave and continue to raise them including the Nikkei/Mapuche Huastec (I believe she still has the Snowy Nikkei pair), Crested Mapuche, & Rapa Nui and I've thrown some more interesting offspring from these lines.

As for the thread, I will do my homework as I've done with all your other threads...printing them out to further my knowledge. I actually just came along this thread tonight.

 

[revolutionmama]

I researched and found an excellent breeder of Black Rose Comed Minorca but didn't think I required them.

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[gootziecat]

I researched and found an excellent breeder of Black Rose Comed Minorca but didn't think I required them.

There are others that are following this thread and interested in different aspects of the black skinned/black boned chicken. Infomation shared is appreciated. Does dragonbone signifiy black bones?​

Edited to correct typo.

 

[fowled-out]

Here's a pair of my birds.

 

[Resolution]

~please DELETE

 

[Resolution]

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There are others that are following this thread and interested in different aspects of the black skinned/black boned chicken. Infomation shared is appreciated. Does dragonbone dignifiy black bones?

I'm not entirely certain- I'm fairly confident that dragonbone has more to do with specific genetics involved but a few people in Indonesia told me the marrow of the dragonbone is always black.


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Smashing! Perfect stock!

 

[aurissavannahs]

I am very interest in these all black chickens so I hope others will keep posting to this thread and keep us informed on what is happening with their projects. I am hoping to acquire chicks or eggs from someone workinng on an all black chickens later this year. These birds are a genetic treasure and also beautiful. Is anyone in the southeast U.S. working on breeding these birds?