The case for doing very little...

Stephine

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Hi!

I want to give my (unusual?) perspective in treating chickens with health issues. It seems that lately doing very little has been just the right thing to do.
I have decided from the get go (a bit over three years ago), that I would never use antibiotics on my flock (trying to help preserve those drugs’ usefulness for humans as long as possible), nor would I risk making them more miserable by ambitious treatments and unnecessary separation from the flock. So far, I have had one hen die suddenly without any warning (BR, 1yr old), one hen die after severe smoke exposure (my flock are all firewalkers - we lost our home in the 2017 wildfires and the chickens had to be left behind, no feed or water for 2 1/2 days in 85 degree heat, locked in coop, then evacuated to friends farm, then moved back months later, all this while in molt) and stress, she just never recovered from her molt and slowly deteriorated. Finally one hen developed diarrhea and died soon after I finally figured out which hen had the issue. Here’s what I do do (depending on the issue): Give nutridrench, extra protein (after fires), raisins (for hens that need a tonic, like two injured ones I had after the fire), they all get a bit of yoghurt 2X a week, feed is Scratch and Peck.
I only separate if a chicken is bleeding. I know how freaked out chickens get about changes to their environment and I err on the side of keeping them in their familiar surroundings if at all possible.
I figure introducing as little stress as possible is valuable, too.
Now a few weeks ago I had a hen - my biggest, top dog hen - standing still with her tail down and moving slowly and clumsily. She’s a huge Brahma, so not too agile to begin with, but it was clear something was off. I brought her home (we’re in temporary housing away from the farm) and gave her an Epsom salt bath. Thinking she was eggbound (she is rotund) or possibly had ascites. I felt (on the outside) for a stuck egg, but couldn’t tell anything. Her abdomen was a bit big and squishy. Hm. I let her dry in her pen in the warm car and gave her part of a tums, wrapped in raisins so she would eat it and drove her back to the farm, put her back with the flock. Next day she looked a tiny bit better, the day after that she seemed fine! 10 days later, same situation, droopy, tail down, pressing... I bathed her again, gave calcium, exactly like before, put her back. Found some blood and broken egg shell on the poop board a day later. Did not investigate. She made a full recovery and has been fine for weeks now.
Next, a hen with a pendulous crop. For a week her crop looked big every time I saw her. Then it started sagging and swinging. Read about pendulous crop. They had been out free ranging more than usual the weeks prior. Maybe she ate long grass pieces? Dry grass? Also read that pendulous crop can’t really be helped and is reoccurring. Read about people inadvertently killing their hens trying to make them throw up. Knew I wasn’t up for surgery. Decided to wait and see. Two weeks of a swinging crop, now at the very bottom of her chest. Then: it disappeared! Over the course of a week she went back to normal. Which reminded me that my other brahma hen used to have a swinging crop before the fires and came back to me completely normal again after her month in exile, too. What on earth? Anyway, I have a few more examples, but this is already so long. All this to say that I have had good success, so far, with minimal treatment and a wait and see approach. Anyone else?
 
Hmm - I seem to be alone with this approach, and it’s been awhile, but here’s an update.
That top dog brahma hen is still going strong, though she moves slowly. The pendulous crop hen still has a terribly low swinging crop on occasion, but is fine. I lost one Brahma hen that was walking on her hocks all of a sudden and unable to eat - took her home, babied her for two weeks when she plateaued at being just a bit better, walking a bit better and eating a bit. Put her back with the flock when she stopped improving and she made a full recovery within days of being back. Lived a happy year, then deteriorated suddenly and died a couple days later, with her flock, because I was out of ideas for helping her.
My roo just lost a spur and bled a lot. When I found him bleeding had stopped. I did nothing with him (he does not want to be handled at all) and he is fine...
 
Hmm - I seem to be alone with this approach, and it’s been awhile, but here’s an update.
No, you are not alone and I think there are more and more people beginning to rethink their usual approach of chicken care and treatments. Especially people that want organic meat and eggs rather treat their chickens using other ways and means.

And sometimes there is just no way to safe them, no matter the methods chosen or how hard one tries.
 
I appreciate you putting that out there. This approach may not be for all, but I've decided it's the one I'll be taking. We grew up with lots of chickens. My parents never dewormed, powdered, dusted, treated or fretted over the chickens in anyway. They never had mass casualties or outbreaks in our large flocks. I got my first chickens 5 years ago after pestering my husband and I swear it's been nothing but a headache. I read everything I could get my hands on regarding chickens, just to be aware but I don't think it's been a positive thing for me. I have a hard time drawing a line because my parents are immigrants who scoff at most modern approaches to anything. Especially at medicating chickens. I was like, whatever! They are just thinking like they do back in their villages lol, and continued to treat and preventatively treat and my mom would laugh and laugh some more, and say those chickens are so sick of you peering at their bums and down their throats they'd rather die. Maybe the "Silskiy" approach works, maybe it doesn't, but I decided I won't be visiting Tractor Supplies poultry medication aisle any more.
 
you are not alone in this way of thinking @Stephine . Thanks for sharing your experiences in that first post, which I missed initially (easily done on BYC as it's so huge and busy!).
I wrote about another case of minimal intervention delivering good results here, in case you're interested in another injury case much more serious than a lost spur https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/a-remarkable-recovery.1416934/
 
I feel the same way. The stress of over treatment seems particularly hard on chickens as they are so sensitive and smart. One thought: Perhaps we should all be raising less hybridized birds?

Is it possible that there is a correlation between hybridized chickens and illness vs heritage breeds and wellness? Could it be the case that hybridized breeds, breeds that are specifically bred for over-production of eggs for instance, are less healthy in general?

It makes sense to me that natural selection and no hybridization would lead to healthier birds. In that case, if you want a more "normal" bird in terms of health, buy heritage breeds that have not undergone extensive hybridization. Just a thought.
 
My experience with treating both chickens and fish is that even if you can cure them, the same individual will usually come down with another ailment later. It as though they are genetically pre-disposed to having health issues. Now, I'm more inclined to just let nature take it's course.

A strong immune system is the best defense. Good food, plenty of rest and no stress are things that boost the immune system.
 
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