The color pattern of welsummers

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by yotetrapper, May 18, 2009.

  1. yotetrapper

    yotetrapper Songster

    May 3, 2007
    North Central MS
    What is it called? I have a few EE hens with that color pattern, and simply love it. What is it? What genes make it up? Thanks
  2. Krys109uk

    Krys109uk Songster

    The most common of the Welsumer colours is simple in make up.
    The genetic name for the Welsumer type colour is e+. It can also be called wild type, duckwing & partridge .....& probably other names. Welsumers also have a reddening gene mahogany.
  3. Henk69

    Henk69 Songster

    Nov 29, 2008
    Groesbeek Netherlands
    genetically I would call it "red duckwing".
    Red partridge?
  4. Far North Queenslander

    Far North Queenslander In the Brooder

    May 18, 2009
    Partridge (red/black) strain. The Males look like the Kelloggs rooster.
    Gold and Silver duckwing strains are also available.
  5. EweSheep

    EweSheep Flock Mistress

    Jan 12, 2007
    Land of Lincoln
    I agree with everyone above. Red partridge may be the color but the light salmon coloring on the pullets is different than the 'partridge' that we see in other breeds.

    Yes Golden Duckwing, and Silver Duckwings are common in England than we have here. Some of the breeders are trying to import them from Canada or know of someone in Canada that raises them. However, they are still rare. What's popping up now are the Gold Necked Welsummers and they are pretty too but not for me as a breeder having them unless they are pullets! [​IMG] I have one cockeral bantam that is a Gold Necked Welsummer and he looks different than his brothers.
  6. flyingmonkeypoop

    flyingmonkeypoop Crowing

    Apr 30, 2007
    Deer Park Washington
    Here in the US the color of Welsummers is light brown or black breasted red. Everywhere else BBR is refered to as partridge. The partridge birds we have here in the US are the red pencilled birds.
  7. blackdotte

    blackdotte Songster

    Nov 18, 2008
    Fanciers names causing confusion again
    Partridge based on e+ is genetically called Duckwing, hens have salmon breast examples OEG, Dorking,Brown Leghorn,Welsummer

    Partridge based on eb is genetically called Brown, hens have a pencilled pattern, examples Wyandotte,Plymouth Rock,

    Welsummers are genetically e+/e+ s+/s+ Mh/Mh
    A Mahogany Gold Duckwing or Red Duckwing
  8. Kev

    Kev Crowing

    Jan 13, 2008
    Sun City, California
    Yes- a lot of different terms being used differently in this thread.

    In USA, "partridge" usually is an eb base(looks like the Red Duckwing but is darker) and/or a color where the hens are pencilled(as in Partridge Rocks). Yet in some countries, "partridge" is the exact same color as we call "black breasted red" or "red duckwing" in the USA.

    Welsumers are not straight up e+ or red duckwing.. the roosters are supposed to have breasts with a mixture of red and black, instead of clean solid black breasts of "straight red duckwings". I don't know what causes this slight difference- seems answers in this thread point to the addition of Mahogany to e+ being the cause..
  9. Far North Queenslander

    Far North Queenslander In the Brooder

    May 18, 2009

    From a fancier's point of view partridge based on anything is called partridge. Fanciers were using these names to describe Poultry long before Mendel decided to play with peas. Genetics might explain why you see it, but the idea is to describe what you see.
    Poultry were called "partridge" because their colour looked like wild partridges. Just like Black Breasted Reds were red with black breasts. Birds were bred for colour and type using visual cues and named accordingly. That's why Poultry Standards don't reference genes.

    I doubt Caesar knew anything about e when he was eating eggs from Dorkings. ([​IMG] did they have psychotropics back then?). Anyway, some of the best birds in show have been bred by people who think Genetics are kinda like fleas but a good spray'll fix 'em. [​IMG]
  10. Henk69

    Henk69 Songster

    Nov 29, 2008
    Groesbeek Netherlands
    Part of the problem is that in other countries the other kind is called partridge... [​IMG]
    "Your" partridge is called "pencilled partridge" in Holland, direct translation.

    And black breasted red is a stupid name because BBR and wheaten and partridge males all look like that.

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