The EE braggers thread!!!

[fuzzybutt love]

Crossbeaks need to be trimmed down when they get too long, they don't naturally wear down. There will be a kind of translucent part, that is the part to trim. The solid part is the part that will bleed.

The crossbeak is probably growing slower because it's harder to eat; not impossible but harder because they have to scoop (deeper dishes work best)

 

[chicken pickin]

Hey Kassaundra, how old are chickens when they have their first molt? I have one that is only 9 months old and she is already losing all her feathers. Is that unusal, usual or should I look for another reason she is losing her feathers? She is a RIR.

Hey Flowerbh I remembered you talking about your chicken losing feathers a few weeks back. Did you everfind out what it was? I only ask because when you posted this I also thought a few of my 9 month old girls were going through a small juvenille molt. Come to find out last night actually that they have red mites. Im treating them now and the coop. But just thought Id mention incase you hadnt thought to look for that. Sorry for bringing up an old comment.

 

[bruceha2000]

True, but there's good reason for why this is expensive. I work in university research, which includes various phases of development of drugs both in the laboratory and clinical setting.

I don't guess you could get an Ivermectin study in chickens going

Thank you for referring to your last post. I just became active a couple weeks ago so that explains how I missed this.

And you didn't read through all nine thousand one hundred forty prior posts? I am

Welcome to the EE Braggers thread

Bruce

 

[Flowerbh]

I have thought of that. In fact, I looked today at their legs. No scaly leg mites. I think I will have to go look tonight with a flashlight to see if their are other types of mites. I do have several birds losing their feathers and looking thin. I wormed them a few days ago anyway. Will let you know what I find. Thanks for the info.

 

[Flowerbh]

So my daughter and I went out to check for mites tonight. We checked legs, vents and roosts.....no mites anywhere. Also, my chicken who was molting is growing new feathers very quickly so hopefully that is all it is.

 

[chicken pickin]

So my daughter and I went out to check for mites tonight. We checked legs, vents and roosts.....no mites anywhere. Also, my chicken who was molting is growing new feathers very quickly so hopefully that is all it is.

Oh good glad to hear that your chickies are well. Because this mite thing has me freaking out a little. I didnt notice mites on my chickens either I was collecting an egg from the nest box and saw the teeny mites on it.

 

[Basel]

True, but there's good reason for why this is expensive. I work in university research, which includes various phases of development of drugs both in the laboratory and clinical setting. Part of my job is ensuring proper compliance when it comes to animal protocols. When these drugs are developed, there are strict guidelines about how the animal subjects are assessed, what levels of pain are/aren't acceptable as part of the course of treatment, and what constitutes efficacy. To expand the uses and species, the entire testing process must begin over again because a separate study and protocol are needed for each added species/function. An interesting case study in original purpose v ultimate use is that eyelash-enhancing product called Latisse. It was originally developed as a potential aid for glaucoma but they found that the cosmetic benefit was extremely marketable, so it was reconstituted and retested as treatment for "insufficient eyelashes," whatever that is. Whenever a drug is re-purposed, it goes back through the trial phases to make sure it is safe for that new use.

When you use drugs for off-label or species not indicated, you don't have the assurance that these chemicals will interact with an animal's system such that the benefit outweighs the harm. Your personal observations as a wildlife rehab specialist give you great insight into how medications can be beneficial to other species but as a general rule, I think it best to use drugs only as prescribed and for the correct species. That's it for me on the subject, back to the lovely chickens.

I work in pharma and drug development so I too know what goes into clinical trials and the regulatory requirements. I think there is great reason for the studies and they are necessary. But we know how often [sometimes the majority of a drug's usage] is off label. I'm not saying it's good but I am not saying it's bad. I actually think it's fine to be honest. A company can never promote this, ever, but a doctor or vet can do what they like with the data they have.

I wouldn't use a brand new product with limited usage in a new species unless it were an urgency/emergency. I wouldn't use a product with a narrow therapeutic window in an unknown species either without any data. But when science and journal articles and published reports and personal experience all share a usage, I would and do try the medication if it's needed.

I'm not saying this to be argumentative, at all. This is my background/career and I find the topic fascinating.

I have used ivermectin in squirrels and rats and others with excellent results. But people should use what they feel most comfortable with and in accordance with acknowledged dosing etc.

 

[SeattleLeah]

I need help! Im worried my "pullet" is looking a little suspicious. She is Leghron/Ameraucana cross. most of the other roos were very obvious at 2-3 weeks but now the only chick I kept is pinking up in the comb, legs looking thick, stubby tail and not a lot of head feathers. She is exactly 5 weeks. What do you think?

 

[mbobb2012]

I just wanted to let all of you know i just got my first batch of eggs, and they are easter eggers

 

[MrViskers]

do these two hens in the back look like easter egg chickens?