The EE braggers thread!!!

Ok! From everything I have read, Ameraucana IS most definitely related to the EE and (according to wikipedia) was bred from the Easter Egger! I just did a search to back up my former statements. The quote below is from this website... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ameraucana

The Ameraucana is a breed of chicken developed in the United States. The name is a portmanteau term of American and Araucana (a related breed). Ameraucanas come in both a large and bantam variety. Eight colors are officially recognized for poultry shows by the American Poultry Association: Black, Blue, Blue Wheaten, Brown Red, Buff, Silver, Wheaten and White.

CharacteristicsAmeraucanas are similar to Araucana chickens because both have pea combs and lay blue shelled eggs, but they have many differences and are completely different breeds. Some other Ameraucana traits include full tails, muffs and slate or black legs depending on the variety. Bantam cocks weigh 30 ounces and bantam hens weigh 26 ounces while large fowl cocks weigh 6½ pounds and large fowl hens weigh 5½ pounds.

Confusion with Easter Egg chickens
this hen shows all the characteristics of Ameraucanas, such as a muff, pea comb, and red earlobes, but is an unrecognized color. The Ameraucana Breeders Club defines an Easter Egg chicken, or Easter Egger, as any chicken that possesses the blue egg gene, but doesn’t fully meet any breed description as defined in the APA standards. Further, even if a bird (that possesses the blue egg gene) meets an APA standard breed description, but doesn’t meet a variety description or breed true at least 50% of the time it is considered an Easter Egg chicken. The American Poultry Association's American Standard of Perfection contains breed and variety descriptions of all recognized standard breed poultry in North America.

In other words, most Easter Egg chickens are "mutts" which happen to carry the blue egg gene. True Ameraucanas are rare.

History - Ameraucanas were bred from Easter Eggers, a mixed non-standard breed derived from breeding the native South American Araucana with Old World varieties. The APA officially accepted Ameraucana as standard breeds in 1984.[/color]

The characteristic muff and breed of the Ameraucana are present in U.K. Araucana as these traits are present in the Mapuche and Quechua de Artes founder stock imported into Europe from the Falkland Islands. The fully feathered faces of the founder stock are of vital importance as they insulate the birds against the frigid cold of southern coastal South America. Winds from Antarctica bring the temperatures to below zero for months at a time. Blue egg laying chickens brought to the Falklands by Argentinians, traded from Mapuche and Quechua speaking Indians, were later exported from the Falkland Islands by British guano and fishing fleets. The Ameraucana is descended of U.K. Araucanas brought into North America during the World Fair in Toronto and Montreal's 1967 Expo. Molecular data retrieved from specimens of known provenance in the Falklands, U.K., Shetland Isles and Canada, proved to be closely related. Consequently, the Ameraucana is probably closer genetically to the South American founders than the North American Araucana. In about 1976 a group of prople imported some Chilean Araucanas. At least one of these people kept his flock breeding only among themselves. Chicks from their blue eggs looked similar to the British tailed Araucanas and the Ameraucanas, however most do not meet the standards of those breeds. They resemble Falkland island birds, and are descendants of the founder birds of Chile. They come in shades of red, mixed with black, blue, and gold.


I stand by my former statements.
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Our Araucanas were bred from South American Collonocas and Quetros - and the Araucana wasn't accepted until the '70s I believe, after a lot of work from the somewhat mixed stock that they managed to bring up from Chile.

However, the Ameraucanas were bred from the Quechua from what I understand - not the typical EE's that you see comming out of hatcheries.
 
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No not from the EEs that are typically found in hatcheries these days. But breeds in general (even mutt "breeds") show little resemblance to hatchery stock these days.
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Also, from what I've read there is no genetic proof for the theory that our Ameraucanas are actually descended from the Quechua. But since this is the accepted belief and I've not found any proof to dispute that belief either, I will leave this question to the geneticists. I read this awhile back in an academic journal from a university here in the U.S. but I can't remember which university so I can't back up this statement.
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I'd love to hear from others who have been studying this subject...
 
OK I might have not done extensive research, but I always read about people saying that Ameraucanas are not related to EE's because EE's come from hatcheries. But how do you guys even know what the hatcheries are using to get their EE's I think this believe is also just assumption.
 
Great reasoning crash0330! Some things are just common sense.
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I found a reference to the study I saw on this web-site... http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Ameraucana+%26+Araucana%3a+what%27s+the+difference%3f-a0109180818

Historical evidence does not support the notion that only one type of chicken laid colored eggs in their native South America. No genetic linkage exists that would require colored-egg chickens to be tufted or rumpless. It is true the first recorded imports from Chile combined the traits of rumplessness, ear tufts, and colored eggs--but those birds resulted from a single breeder combining several strains and subsequently misrepresenting them as native fowl. An artist's depiction of the earliest imports in a 1927 National Geographic article served to perpetuate this myth. The Ameraucana breed was formulated and standardized, primarily in the north central U.S., to provide a colored egg fowl possessing more practical and true-breeding characteristics.

Wow this stuff is fascinating but I'm pooped! After wading through gobs and gobs of information on genetics I'm starting to see why a lot of folks don't bother. Good night all!
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The "typical EEs that you see comming (sic) out of hatcheries" are the original Ameraucanas which were bred from the Quechua. They were called the "World's Fair Quechua" aka "Ameraucana" back in the '30s. They are still, for the most part, the "typical EEs that you see comming (sic) out of hatcheries." Other breeds are mixed in here and there, but with much more strict care and control than the backyardigan crowd crossing them with Buff Orpingtons.

BTW, "Whisperer" is spelled...well, "Whisperer"...with an "h".

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I think he's gorgeous! But being a great protector is much more valuable!
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Thanks! I got that pic tonight! After i had to rescue them from a bush they were roosting in cause they got locked out of their coop! This ones more flattering:
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