The EE braggers thread!!!

Calling mixed (mixed w/ other breeds) ams, araucana's or what ever colored egglayer an EE I understand, but what I don't get, and is pervasive in the AM world is if you have two AM's of diff colors their offspring is now an EE. That doesn't happen in any other chicken world, for instance if you have two diff colored Marans, their offspring are still marans, or silkies or cochin etc......
 
RIGHT!!!!! by the way Im not one of the people who fight for either side. i will have both shortly and i think its so so so so so funny who ever just sits on one side and becomes persnickety towards the other. The question wasn't answered fully in my mind so i maid a point to answer fully.

So dm rippy why does ameraucana.org list black as one of the accepted 8 colors then. The pictures posted of black ameraucana are ones entered into shows as such and judged as such towards the standard.There is such a thing as Black Ameraucana. Maybe some people have mixed blood in there black birds and morally just have to call them EE> But if someone got there blacks from a reputable breeder of ameraucana and he says they are black ameraucana then that is what they are and they do exist. So You wouldn't use them even if they were perfect to standard. that makes no sense what so ever. why if they were perfect would you not call them an ameraucana or breed them as so. Like i said, maybe you don't because you know you have other mixed blood in there. ameraucana is in fact the original and EE comes after by default. I wouldn't use a default name to apply to a perfect bird to a specific standard especially if that bird fits perfect towards every single standard listed i would just call it that breed (Ameraucana). I will be buying black ameraucana this year. i will be breeding them because black is an accepted ameraucana color and i will be calling them black ameraucana and show them as so. If i have some that are not up to standard i wont mind if all you persnickety people call them EE becaues i will do the same and place them in with my EE in my Mixed flock of egg layers.

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I am fairly new to having chickens, so breeding, showing and selling (three things I probably won't do) are sort of foriegn to me. I have seen lots of posts asking if a chick/en was an EE or an Ameraucana or someone posting a pic of an EE but calling it an Ameraucana- all of those that were patterned were quickly identified as EE. My assumption as well as study of the Ameraucana standards is because Ameraucanas are solid (basically)- and if a chick was patterned then easily identified as EE. My chicks are however black~ so I wondered if the reverse was true if the parents were possibly of Ameraucana stock.
In my case a friend who has both EEs and quality Ameraucana breeding stock gave me some day old chicks. She does not "breed them" technically, they are in seperate enclosures however. I knew some were EEs and some were Ameraucanas. I was excited when I picked them up and didn't pay attention to which chicks were which. I know BAD CHICKEN LADY~ but as I said I'm new.
I know I have one EE roo. He has red on his chest, so that was easy, the others not so much because they are solid black with slate legs, muffs and beards. I do know that the fathers of all the chicks are Ameraucanas. The mothers of the chicks were either an Ameraucana or an EE who had an Ameraucana father. So if you do the math, the EE chicks are 3/4 Ameraucana- and maybe that makes it even harder to make the call on breed.
I most likely have to give away a roo (I have at least 2 maybe 3 in this batch) and would like to tell the person recieving the chick what they are getting.
Let me also say, I would like to have both EEs AND Ameraucanas because a colorful egg basket is a beautiful thing. I'd love to have an olive-egger show up in this batch. thanks for the input
 
Have a question. In all the images I have seen posted of EEs, I have never seen a solid black one. Do solid black EEs exsist or are they simply Black Ameraucanas that did not meet the standard?

I also have lots of all-black EEs... mine are a mix of Black Ameraucana x Cuckoo Marans, French Black Copper Marans or Blue Andalusian.



(Ignore the Lavender Orpington in there; otherwise those are all EEs.)
 




I am fairly new to having chickens, so breeding, showing and selling (three things I probably won't do) are sort of foriegn to me. I have seen lots of posts asking if a chick/en was an EE or an Ameraucana or someone posting a pic of an EE but calling it an Ameraucana- all of those that were patterned were quickly identified as EE. My assumption as well as study of the Ameraucana standards is because Ameraucanas are solid (basically)- and if a chick was patterned then easily identified as EE. My chicks are however black~ so I wondered if the reverse was true if the parents were possibly of Ameraucana stock.
In my case a friend who has both EEs and quality Ameraucana breeding stock gave me some day old chicks. She does not "breed them" technically, they are in seperate enclosures however. I knew some were EEs and some were Ameraucanas. I was excited when I picked them up and didn't pay attention to which chicks were which. I know BAD CHICKEN LADY~ but as I said I'm new.
I know I have one EE roo. He has red on his chest, so that was easy, the others not so much because they are solid black with slate legs, muffs and beards. I do know that the fathers of all the chicks are Ameraucanas. The mothers of the chicks were either an Ameraucana or an EE who had an Ameraucana father. So if you do the math, the EE chicks are 3/4 Ameraucana- and maybe that makes it even harder to make the call on breed.
I most likely have to give away a roo (I have at least 2 maybe 3 in this batch) and would like to tell the person recieving the chick what they are getting.
Let me also say, I would like to have both EEs AND Ameraucanas because a colorful egg basket is a beautiful thing. I'd love to have an olive-egger show up in this batch. thanks for the input
chickens in black they look awesome
 
leavingegypt, the only other markers that I know of besides the ones you already mentioned is soul of foot color, it should be white not yellow for an AM, and egg color should be blue rather then green. But I am not an AM breeder and don't keep up w/ the nuances of what makes them "right", don't much care since I have no intention of breeding, selling or purchasing any AM's. (or any other breed where all your chickens have to look alike)
 
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It is even worse than identifiable colors. If I buy Ameraucanas from a recognized breeder and I breed them, then mine are EEs because I am not a recognized breeder.

Look up the requirements-- one of them is that the chicks come from a recognized breeder. Your chickens are beautiful so call them what you want.

Just to be safe you should sell them as EEs.

Ron
 
It is even worse than identifiable colors. If I buy Ameraucanas from a recognized breeder and I breed them, then mine are EEs because I am not a recognized breeder.

Look up the requirements-- one of them is that the chicks come from a recognized breeder. Your chickens are beautiful so call them what you want.

Just to be safe you should sell them as EEs.

Ron
WOW Ron, didn't know that. Well then EEs it is~ I'm not sure it matters as much with a FREE roo. Most people are concerned with egg color and I'm not sure someone who wants to breed is gonna look for a FREE chicken. I do think that the paterning of alot of the EEs I see, is really pretty. The black birds are nice and I love them, but it's a little hard to distinguish them apart. I'm hoping to get a couple of EEs with green legs and some cool feathering.
 
leavingegypt, the only other markers that I know of besides the ones you already mentioned is soul of foot color, it should be white not yellow for an AM, and egg color should be blue rather then green. But I am not an AM breeder and don't keep up w/ the nuances of what makes them "right", don't much care since I have no intention of breeding, selling or purchasing any AM's. (or any other breed where all your chickens have to look alike)
Souls of their feet is white to pinkish~
 
I will get my SOP and look that up, that is a first.... never heard that. I have never read that in my SOP either. There are no pedigrees in chickens required to show or breed.

Where did you read that or hear it? Is that on the Ameraucana Breed Club site? That can not be true! If that were true as soon as you bought birds from a RECOGNIZED breeder.... they are then EE in your hands
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