The evils of NAIS

[chickory]

go speckled hen! yes i found out that by mentioning tyranny and control of food and big AG on another thread that i was a tin foil hat wearer. that thread was about the Food Safety Modernization Act (HR 875): Criminalization of Organic Farms which is a nice copliemnt to NAIS.

to learn more...

The Bills are:

House H.R. 875
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-875

Senate S 425
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s111-425


You might also want to read what is posted on this web site:

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=92002



Then, there is a video:

There is a video on the subject.

http://www.voteronpaul.com/newsDeta...t-HR-875-Criminalization-of-Organic-Farms-222

 

[Akane]

I see lots of problems with being able to track all livestock anywhere. Some of which have nothing to do with disease. It's no one's business where I take my horse to ride for example. Also we don't even bother to chip cats cause it's too expensive to be worth it. I'm not gonna chip something I might just end up eating in a month or something that might get grabbed by predators tomorrow night. I don't have expensive irreplaceable breeds that I need to keep track of. I have some pets I really care about and I have some that are just there to lay eggs and look interesting. I free range them all and I'm not too upset if a predator happens to grab one provided I have enough left to lay me some eggs and hatch some replacements. Right now my chickens just barely pay for themselves so if chipping was required and not paid for by some organization most of my chickens would probably be sold or eaten. That would be the opinion of many farmers out here with a small flock. They have them because they are cheap, easy to care for, and they already have the land so they might as well. If they start requiring more money to raise they'll just get rid of them and get cheap eggs elsewhere. Having the odd chicken, cow, goat, horse, etc... on your property would start to go down if there was yet another fee and more paper work tacked on to those animals.


Personally I don't think it will be accomplished anytime soon. You know how many farms there are in the midwest with a wide variety of the odd animal here and there.... Then all the backyard flocks that no one knows about... It would take many years and a lot of money spent enforcing it to track down every backyard livestock and see that it gets chipped. That's after they even get the thing passed. It may or may not happen in my lifetime and I'm not very old.

I do think though that eventually that's where we're headed unless something major happens. With the increase in technology eventually everything in this country is going to be chipped and tracked by someone.

 

[JennsPeeps]

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This is why animals taken on trail rides are specifically exempted from the NAIS rulings.
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/faq/faq.shtml

Myth: USDA wants to identify every animal in the United States, including pets, for NAIS.
Fact: The focus of NAIS is animal agriculture - livestock and/or poultry. Owners of the following species would benefit from and are encouraged to participate: cattle and bison; poultry; swine; sheep; goats; cervids (deer and elk); equines (horses, mules, donkeys, burros); and camelids (llamas and alpacas). Household pets (cats and dogs) are not included.

Myth: USDA wants to identify and track the movement of all livestock in the United States for NAIS.
Fact: Attempting to record all animals and movements is not practical, and that is not the intent with NAIS. Rather, the intent with NAIS is to prevent disease spread. The only animals recommended for identification are those that are moved from their premises to locations where they "commingle", or come into contact with, animals from multiple/other premises. Due to the nature of their movements, these animals may pose a significant risk of disease transmission or have a greater impact on the spread of a potential disease. Animals with a "lower-risk" of, or "lower-impact" on, disease spread are not the focus of NAIS.

For example, the following situations are not applicable to NAIS:

Livestock that never leave the premises of their birth, even if they move from pasture to pasture within that premises, do not need to be identified
Animals that never leave their premises other than when they "get out"
Animals that are only moved directly from their birth premises to custom slaughter
The participation of animals in local trail rides
The movement of animals to small local parades or fairs (Many local fairs and similar events may have their own animal identification requirements that are not affected by NAIS. You should check with animal health officials or event organizers for any such existing requirements.)

I'm neither for nor against NAIS. I am just quoting the actual verbage from the actual site in order to address some misperceptions & fear mongering that NAIS tends to draw.

Personally, I think that the government, especially the one run by the last administration, is far more likely to take away civil liberties - like private phone calls - than to try to prohibit people from having unregistered dogs & cats, doing organic farming, raising backyard flocks, and doing home food preservation.​

 

[root_mama]

Well, first pets, then livestock, then people. They'd love to track us too, and keep all our permanent records in a findable spot.

There are credible reports of injection site tumor. Violates informed consent, even by animal owners, IMO. I would never chip my Dog. The Bible sayeth what it sayeth. I personally don't want to flirt with that, and it shall be my choice! <3

 

[farmerlor]

Yes, horses going to trail rides are exempt but horses going to horse shows are NOT. Your little backyard flock is exempt until you get some silly kid in 4-H who wants to show one of your fowl in some show and then you're in trouble. And what if you want to sell some of your poultry? Well, you'll need this little number and how long before the IRS starts tracking your sales? They talk about controlling disease with this cutesy poo little chip so naturally Homeland Security is going to have access to the info. I know that sounds paranoid, makes me cringe just to say it but if something happens do I really want the government to know that I have enough livestock to feed several households?
So we've got actual danger to the animal's health with this chip. The cost of the complying with this program is on your back unless you're a big corporation and you can write it all off. You've got big Brother watching your operation and the main reason for doing it, controlling disease, isn't even implemented or feasible. Those are just some of my reasons for writing to my legislators often to remind them that I'm watching the progress on this idea very carefully.

 

[speckledhen]

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Yes, this does need to be civil and really, there is no reason it can't be, but I will be watching.

Jenn, the problem is that if you remove a chicken from your property, even to take it to a vet, the bird has left your property and I would think a vet could also report that he treated it.

Another problem is that they keep making small changes to their stated proposal so it is not in its final form, to my knowledge. I would advise everyone to read the entire current NAIS documents for themselves.

 

[scbatz33]

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Yes, this does need to be civil and really, there is no reason it can't be, but I will be watching.

Jenn, the problem is that if you remove a chicken from your property, even to take it to a vet, the bird has left your property and I would think a vet could also report that he treated it.

It's my understanding that the vets are - if this becomes mandetory - legally oligated to report any animal not in compliance.

Currently, the NAIS website refers to vets as "the first line of defense" in implementing, educating and convincing people to "voluntarily" sign up.

 

[Akane]

Yes, horses going to trail rides are exempt but horses going to horse shows are NOT.

Then what about major trail rides like AQHA rides across the US and other big groups. I'm not talking about riding down the road. I'm talking about meeting up with as many if not more people than are at the local shows to ride at areas that are set aside specifically for it. If they require it for showing then I don't see how the big trail rides would get away without it. I also took my horses to 4-h camps and such growing up. It has the potential to be worse and even more difficult and expensive than the current coggins test requirements. Which living right next to a state border have given me headaches and actually come down to cancelling my plans or risk being caught without current coggins several times.

The only way I see it not impacting most backyard flocks and small farms is if the requirement comes down to how many animals you have instead of where you are taking them.​

 

[Fowler]

Like most regulations, there will be some exemptions…for a while and then they will come for the rest. I think it's about taxes and fees and permits and taxes and paperwork and taxes….

 

[scbatz33]

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Slippery slope, my friends, slippery slope!