The Evolution of Atlas: A Breeding (and Chat) Thread

Gabriel, I too voted against the solar overreach her in Florida. Not sure where you're at, but I'm in Hillsborough county. Think about how hypocritical it is when our govt. says we need cleaner sources of energy, but we can't legally go off the grid with solar. It's not about the panels being an eyesore. It's about independent contractors installing private systems, and the big power companies not getting the money. The big companies would like to "help" us convert to solar, and will lease us the equipment, regulate everything about it, and keep us dependent on them, so they continue to get a nice check coming in each month. When the big power companies are getting that monthly check from us, those same solar panels suddenly aren't eyesores anymore.

A gas grill, especially one with a side burner will get you through a few weeks without power, comfortably. Keeping a spare tank of gas for it will get you through a very long haul. I know that firsthand, because I did it with 3 teen daughters, after a hurricane, years ago. We ate well, and I had already gotten a percolator coffee pot to use on the burner, so I was a happy camper. I had/have a Coleman lantern that uses fuel. Not only does it give off plenty of light, but it gives off heat too. Not that heating is a critical factor in this part of Florida.

We had 3 huge bladder tanks, and 1 large holding tank for water, so I had about 400 gallons of potable water, and a lake across the street which that water was fine for flushing toilets. We did great, EXCEPT....Remember I said 3 teen daughters? They couldn't blow dry their hair! They don't make battery operated blow dryers. The girls would not leave the house. The thing worse than death, for them, was being seen in public by someone they knew, and their hair not picture perfect.

While we do have a whole house generator here, I will be getting at least one of the large square containers with the metal cage frame to put down by the coop, just in case. The used ones run about $100.00 here, and the majority have been used once for orange juice, so they are in excellent condition, and safe for consumable liquid. It's easy to clean them out, and use them to store water. They hold about 275 gallons. That will be my backup plan for now. We too looked into a hand pump, and as previously mentioned, they're expensive. That will have to wait.

So, has Hector gotten used to the heaters for the waterers? My birds notice anything, and everything different, and I get to hear all about it. Like when I installed the ramp to help their feet, so they would be less likely to get bumblefoot. For the first week, they were not sure what it was, or what it did, but it must eat chicken(s), right? By the second week, they had it all figured out.
 
If you have space for a small cottage on your property, maybe you could have someone live in it in exchange for helping you and your husband with work around your homestead...
Wish I could build a tiny cabin there. Would love for someone I know to live in it, but a stranger, I'd be leery of. Not many folks I'd trust to be here that close.

I LOVE my wood heat. I wish the government would govern and leave my personal life alone. There are to many restrictions as it is. IF ITS MY LAND AND i DO NOT HARM ANYONE ELSE LEAVE ME ALONE. oH, I hate the constant restrictions on us. I feel they are there just so local governments can collect more money. No other reason. I can see septic tank restrictions but really, If I want a porch built on MY home I should not have to pay the county! OH! sorry but I just had to rant a bit. How is Hector?
Sigh,,,
100% agreed, Gloria Jean. Hector is doing very well, actually! He's been very, very good.

Gabriel, I too voted against the solar overreach her in Florida. Not sure where you're at, but I'm in Hillsborough county. Think about how hypocritical it is when our govt. says we need cleaner sources of energy, but we can't legally go off the grid with solar. It's not about the panels being an eyesore. It's about independent contractors installing private systems, and the big power companies not getting the money. The big companies would like to "help" us convert to solar, and will lease us the equipment, regulate everything about it, and keep us dependent on them, so they continue to get a nice check coming in each month. When the big power companies are getting that monthly check from us, those same solar panels suddenly aren't eyesores anymore.

A gas grill, especially one with a side burner will get you through a few weeks without power, comfortably. Keeping a spare tank of gas for it will get you through a very long haul. I know that firsthand, because I did it with 3 teen daughters, after a hurricane, years ago. We ate well, and I had already gotten a percolator coffee pot to use on the burner, so I was a happy camper. I had/have a Coleman lantern that uses fuel. Not only does it give off plenty of light, but it gives off heat too. Not that heating is a critical factor in this part of Florida.

We had 3 huge bladder tanks, and 1 large holding tank for water, so I had about 400 gallons of potable water, and a lake across the street which that water was fine for flushing toilets. We did great, EXCEPT....Remember I said 3 teen daughters? They couldn't blow dry their hair! They don't make battery operated blow dryers. The girls would not leave the house. The thing worse than death, for them, was being seen in public by someone they knew, and their hair not picture perfect.

While we do have a whole house generator here, I will be getting at least one of the large square containers with the metal cage frame to put down by the coop, just in case. The used ones run about $100.00 here, and the majority have been used once for orange juice, so they are in excellent condition, and safe for consumable liquid. It's easy to clean them out, and use them to store water. They hold about 275 gallons. That will be my backup plan for now. We too looked into a hand pump, and as previously mentioned, they're expensive. That will have to wait.

So, has Hector gotten used to the heaters for the waterers? My birds notice anything, and everything different, and I get to hear all about it. Like when I installed the ramp to help their feet, so they would be less likely to get bumblefoot. For the first week, they were not sure what it was, or what it did, but it must eat chicken(s), right? By the second week, they had it all figured out.
He was used to it far faster than Apollo, who was convinced it was dangerous, LOL.
 
speckled, I can understand certain building codes, and specifications, especially in regards to septic, water, electric, and the main structure, but the fees for the permits should be minimal, since the local govt. gets money in the form of property taxes.
 
There are two cottages and a main house on the property here (as well as a barn with water outside) and we all share the same well and the cottage nearest the house shares the septic with the house. The only time sharing the well has been problematic is when there's been plumbing work done in the house and the main water line has been shut off - I lose my cold water while they work but am still able to use the hot water that stored in my own water heater.

One can get rather creative when it comes to keeping a livable structure small so as to not get a huge spike in taxes but still be able to provide all the amenities and who knows, you may find someone who wants nothing more than a yurt off the grid. I often check out craigslist and similar, more localized sites and there always seem to be cottages small enough to fit onto a trailer for transport that are complete with wiring, a bathroom and kitchenette for just a couple thousand dollars, maybe a little more. One could wind up spending a lot more in labor and materials to build a new one. Even an old shed could be converted with used building materials and appliances to finish it, leaving your biggest expense to be the septic.

I understand not trusting many people to be around but you could be very selective with an interview process.
 
speckled, I can understand certain building codes, and specifications, especially in regards to septic, water, electric, and the main structure, but the fees for the permits should be minimal, since the local govt. gets money in the form of property taxes.


There are two cottages and a main house on the property here (as well as a barn with water outside) and we all share the same well and the cottage nearest the house shares the septic with the house. The only time sharing the well has been problematic is when there's been plumbing work done in the house and the main water line has been shut off - I lose my cold water while they work but am still able to use the hot water that stored in my own water heater.

One can get rather creative when it comes to keeping a livable structure small so as to not get a huge spike in taxes but still be able to provide all the amenities and who knows, you may find someone who wants nothing more than a yurt off the grid. I often check out craigslist and similar, more localized sites and there always seem to be cottages small enough to fit onto a trailer for transport that are complete with wiring, a bathroom and kitchenette for just a couple thousand dollars, maybe a little more. One could wind up spending a lot more in labor and materials to build a new one. Even an old shed could be converted with used building materials and appliances to finish it, leaving your biggest expense to be the septic.

I understand not trusting many people to be around but you could be very selective with an interview process.
It's not the permit, but the actual well drilling and septic installation that would be expensive, thousands of dollars just for the well alone. Our own is about 400 ft deep and the pasture lot, though lower in elevation slightly, would still be fairly deep, I'd expect. They charge by the foot.

Since the lot is a separate lot, taxed completely outside my property taxes for the house so any small cabin would be taxed like a completely separate house. My house taxes are already too high as it is. No way I could afford to pay for construction, plus everything else that goes with it. They have so many regs here now, it's nuts.
 
Gabriel, I too voted against the solar overreach her in Florida. Not sure where you're at, but I'm in Hillsborough county. Think about how hypocritical it is when our govt. says we need cleaner sources of energy, but we can't legally go off the grid with solar. It's not about the panels being an eyesore. It's about independent contractors installing private systems, and the big power companies not getting the money. The big companies would like to "help" us convert to solar, and will lease us the equipment, regulate everything about it, and keep us dependent on them, so they continue to get a nice check coming in each month. When the big power companies are getting that monthly check from us, those same solar panels suddenly aren't eyesores anymore.

A gas grill, especially one with a side burner will get you through a few weeks without power, comfortably. Keeping a spare tank of gas for it will get you through a very long haul. I know that firsthand, because I did it with 3 teen daughters, after a hurricane, years ago. We ate well, and I had already gotten a percolator coffee pot to use on the burner, so I was a happy camper. I had/have a Coleman lantern that uses fuel. Not only does it give off plenty of light, but it gives off heat too. Not that heating is a critical factor in this part of Florida.

We had 3 huge bladder tanks, and 1 large holding tank for water, so I had about 400 gallons of potable water, and a lake across the street which that water was fine for flushing toilets. We did great, EXCEPT....Remember I said 3 teen daughters? They couldn't blow dry their hair! They don't make battery operated blow dryers. The girls would not leave the house. The thing worse than death, for them, was being seen in public by someone they knew, and their hair not picture perfect.

While we do have a whole house generator here, I will be getting at least one of the large square containers with the metal cage frame to put down by the coop, just in case. The used ones run about $100.00 here, and the majority have been used once for orange juice, so they are in excellent condition, and safe for consumable liquid. It's easy to clean them out, and use them to store water. They hold about 275 gallons. That will be my backup plan for now. We too looked into a hand pump, and as previously mentioned, they're expensive. That will have to wait.

So, has Hector gotten used to the heaters for the waterers? My birds notice anything, and everything different, and I get to hear all about it. Like when I installed the ramp to help their feet, so they would be less likely to get bumblefoot. For the first week, they were not sure what it was, or what it did, but it must eat chicken(s), right? By the second week, they had it all figured out.
We're in Orange county currently, but our homestead / hatchery properties are both in Duval county. :/ We're happy the amendment didn't pass.



Ugh, such a rough two days....lost our old lady Serama from my high school days to Cocci.... two days later lost my little Spitzhauben, now the other is exhibiting signs of it, everyone who was in contact with her is on Corid.... I'm in a weird emotional place. Cannot wait to move these babies up to Jacksonville with the others. This seems like a fitting indication that this needed to be our last week on this property in Orlando.
 
We're in Orange county currently, but our homestead / hatchery properties are both in Duval county. :/ We're happy the amendment didn't pass.



Ugh, such a rough two days....lost our old lady Serama from my high school days to Cocci.... two days later lost my little Spitzhauben, now the other is exhibiting signs of it, everyone who was in contact with her is on Corid.... I'm in a weird emotional place. Cannot wait to move these babies up to Jacksonville with the others. This seems like a fitting indication that this needed to be our last week on this property in Orlando.
Sorry for your losses.
It would be very odd for older adults to have coccidiosis, especially if they're living in the same general area as they've always been. I've never had to treat any adult for cocci, not in all the years I've had chickens, though I've treated many chicks 4-8 weeks old for it. Could be something else. If you're feeding a wheat and fish meal-based feed like some of the less expensive non-GMO's that have come out, those have been culprits in necrotic enteritis, though one usually sees that in younger birds. And heavy worm loads can make bloody poop as well.


Just an FYI about necrotic enteritis from thepoultrysite:


Quote: And this odd tidbit from the Merck Veterinary Manual in regard to necrotic enteritis (which has similar symptoms to cocci):

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One of the first things we did when we moved here was have a soapstone wood stove installed. There was a fireplace, but those are so inefficient. I love this thing, wasn't cheap, of course. Now, the Feds are trying to stop the use of woodburning stoves. Sorry, I don't care what new crap regs they come up with, this is how we heat our little house now and forever. I cannot afford to run or replace our 22 year old heatpump, not to mention, that type heat is not really warm like direct wood heat. So, my life, liberty and pursuit of happiness starts with keeping me warm in winter! They can suck eggs for all I care. I'm feeding my family and keeping us warm the best way I know how and nobody is going to stop me. So there! :tongue I get so crazed about all that gov't control stuff, can you tell? See, the chickens like it, too? This was our little Shadow who DH thought was too cold one winter day. Sure miss the Purple Princess.
What! No little cup of tea for the princess. Lol What protocol to you use to worm your chickens?
 
What! No little cup of tea for the princess. Lol

What protocol to you use to worm your chickens?


I've had great results with just a handful of pumpkin seeds a few times a year.


While pumpkin seeds are a natural mild preventative due to the curcurbit, they are not effective for many worms like capillaria or gapeworm. They are beneficial, certainly, but once a year or so, I worm my flocks with Valbazen, which is safer than other wormers and gets every type of worm a chicken is known to contract. It's safer because it starves out worms over a 3 day period rather than killing them instantly and clogging their system with a bunch of dead worms in a bad case.

Free ranging birds are less likely to need worming than 24/7 penned birds because they eat natural wormers during their forage. Mine do get to free range, though less than they used to because I am managing them differently since the new barn, but at least every few days, they leave the huge barn pen. I did not worm my first flock until they were two years old and then because I did see a roundworm in the poop of one of my Orpingtons so I wormed everybody. They had been eating pumpkin seeds regularly. A very healthy bird can handle a mild worm load without terrible consequence to their health, but it's when they are overrun that they suffer the effects.
 
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