The Heritage Rhode Island Red Site

[RedRidge]

On the FF. You "can" ferment pelleted feed or crumbles but its rather messy and sticky. But... A lot of folks do it.
If you are balancing your own ration what you want to do is ferment your grains only... Then add your nutribalancer, fish meal, limestone, meat and bone meal... Whatever your ration calls for. (Yes, I balance livestock a rations for all sorts of livestock).
I keep a chart on the wall of my feed room. I feed by weight and simply weigh out the fermented grains I need each day by scooping them into a stainless strainer over a bucket. I add the "premix" stuff to it (by weight) and stir and feed.

 

[catdaddyfro]

I couldn't upload with my browser for some reason. Wondered if I could get some feedback on these, they aren't mine, but very similar to some that I owned years ago.




It worked YaY

Are these Bennet reds(pine grove) either way I like them they look to be good examples of "real" RIRs nice tail black on the pullet pics a little blurry in the facial area but all looks fine, the cockerel looks ok from the angle of the pic (hard to get a full true reading on photos) chickens "ain't" good posers and not cooperative at all in picture taking, LOL

The Bantam reds posted previously. Yes, they are considered the be "H" breeds right along side the LF versions esp. on this thread, the thread starter is a Bantam Red master breeder I will let him comment on them though as I'm not up to par on the little guys too much yet I still got a long way to go on the regular ones first, LOL

Mitch, William Bennet (pine grove) on here is in you neck of the woods and has awesome reds just another source close to you going to get a picture I saw last night of some awesome goodness almost freakishly clone like









I'm going to find the peas in a pod picture on here.

 

[immyjay54]

Are these Bennet reds(pine grove) either way I like them they look to be good examples of "real" RIRs nice tail black on the pullet pics a little blurry in the facial area but all looks fine, the cockerel looks ok from the angle of the pic (hard to get a full true reading on photos) chickens "ain't" good posers and not cooperative at all in picture taking, LOL

The Bantam reds posted previously. Yes, they are considered the be "H" breeds right along side the LF versions esp. on this thread, the thread starter is a Bantam Red master breeder I will let him comment on them though as I'm not up to par on the little guys too much yet I still got a long way to go on the regular ones first, LOL

Mitch, William Bennet (pine grove) on here is in you neck of the woods and has awesome reds just another source close to you going to get a picture I saw last night of some awesome goodness almost freakishly clone like

https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/42454_dsc00101.jpg


BYC is all screwed up today again won't let me post it but click on it and it should go there maybe I'm going to find the peas in a pod picture on here.

Good morning Jeff,
I went back through and the Cock bird posted that you asked if it was Bennett, I went back through and found it and that picture was posted by Rosecomb-Ryan 12-26-2012 I didn't find the hen yet Found the pullet and it was posted by Fred Fred's hens Don't know if it was his bird or just showing the picture. lol

 

[Robert Blosl]

Above is one of my favorite pictures every posted on this thread. Look mostly at the neck feathers of the female that is got her head down on the far right. Look at the black in her neck feathers.
this is the correct ticking I preach about. The or she seem to also have even width of back not a taper to the oil gland area. These are the Bennett line which I think are the old Reese line maybe not the Mohawk line I pulled out of his old line but pure old fashion Real McCoy Rhode Island Reds. If you have a flock of eight or ten girls like this you have Rhode Island Reds. Have not heard a peep out of Mr. Bennett or any of his customers in years so don't know what is going on with his strain but he has nice birds.

Don't worry there are others on this tread who have got Reds that we see every day that are just as good and we are blessed to have them share their pictures and even offer to share eggs or chicks with beginners every spring and it seems to be a trend that the new folks are willing to do the same and share their birds to the next generation. This hobby of Raising R I Reds and sharing and helping each other is very similar to my working in the operating room and which OB GYN residents work with the younger students and teach them as they go along. They have a mentor Dr. who is say 50 years old teaching the young dr.s and then the senior residents are helping and teaching the one year and two year residents. In time we have graduation I get to go to the party and say good bye to the five year resident who goes out and starts their practice. Can you visualize what we have going here. We have folks I helped get stared two and three year ago and they are now helping you newbies or beginners and doing a bag up job and one day in three years you will be doing the same. My goal is that many of you will make it to the five year mark then the ten and for every go on. That's how we promote our hobby with educations and being good mentors and then we all add up as good sturets to the breed. Many read our posts who are not Red Breeders or even have a interest in Reds. But this works for al breeds and we have to hope we have a influence on them as well. We are all in this together as good stureits of Heritage. O my god I used that word but we are Standard Breed Fowl. Large Fowl chickens need a few interested serous Preservationist. We are only a small group of one in maybe 500 who will do this most folks do not care and are happy with the fowls they get from the feed store. I don't worry about them I am out there trying covert lurkers to what you are all doing. It has been working very well in my view for the past three years.

I will try your method of FF and there is something that may also be working and no one as thought of maybe they can absorb more protein this way than eating it right out of the bag. I often have been told by some super star chicken guys that if you have a 20% protein the bird can only absorb 15 and crap out the other 5 % . Human body builders can take on lots of protein to build muscle but can not absorb all the stuff they take in unless the take in a papaya pill enzyme to help them get the extra protein they get. That what I was told by a couple of world class guys 30 years ago. One guy told me he could build 5 pounds of muscle per year over 5 years with just a little extra protein and this pill as he said he could only gain five pounds of muscle per year the rest of the bulk witch was 40 or 50 pounds would be lost once he went on a low carb diet. He was ranked number three under Arnold S. back then and you know Arnold took some pills to help him get big and this guy did not. Just a spin on nutrition's and chickens for you to think about. In Reds before I show them I use Cod Liver Oil, Wheat germ and Red Cell on their feed for two months . Wheat grass sprouts given every day and the secret is Ten Sun flower seeds to get that oil into the feathers. It puts a shine on them naturally. All this on a two month pre show program. I don't show much but it works.


In regards to your Red bantams they are very nice ones. You have the correct ones for color good combs they are small and it would be nice to take a picture from the side for me to look at. I want to see the side profile or the top of the backs are they long oblong brick shape. Do they have flat backs like the picture of my male in my avatar? where did you get them from or who's line?

Don't worry about side tracking this tread on a issue we always revert back in time to the subject. This is a educational tread on how to get started with Rhode Island Reds and we have to hope we do a good job of helping you so you will keep them and enjoy them. We also enjoy to here from the folks with the hatchery birds and see pictures of their birds. How else can we compare what we have and quite possible converting you over to the real R I Reds if you choose to do so. I had a mentor named Ralph Sturgeon and he told me Bob Many are Called But Few are Chosen. If you are one of the Chosen Few who stick with this breed we are happy. Also, if you have not joined the Rhode Island Red Club please do so. Its us folks that will change and rebuild this clb over the next five years and help those who are working hard to do so. If you are not a member of your other breed club and a re a lurker you need to join your breed club of as they need your support and input as well.

Steve it was nice talking to you last night. I am feeling better and will be making some mash for the chickens in no time it will a interesting project and thanks for explaining it to me you did a perfect job and all will learn what this concept is about.. bob

 

[catdaddyfro]

Yeah that is the boy that Doc Dan was looking for the small one that Ryan got shed of unfortunately, Ok I knew I had seen it posted (I have just enough of a photographic memory to get really confuzzled or get others REALLY confuzzled sometimes, LOL


Got it finally, now that's a pic of pure awesomeness and wonderment (too me)



Jeff

 

[Robert Blosl]

Yeah that is the boy that Doc Dan was looking for the small one that Ryan got shed of unfortunately, Ok I knew I had seen it posted (I have just enough of a photographic memory to get really confuzzled or get others REALLY confuzzled sometimes, LOL


Got it finally, now that's a pic of pure awesomeness and wonderment (too me)



Jeff

This is another great picture of males that a fellow who lived in North Carolina got from Mr. Bennett. He got 50 chicks and I got very excited over these males however the fellow got real real sick and could not take care of them contacted me asking if I could find some foster parents to take them off his hands. He wa so sick he could not feed and water them and when a lady from North Carolina came to get some they looked like POWs and where in bad bad shape. She saved most of them she took home.

I was talking to MATT 1616 today and Steve in Georgia last night these are old old E W Reese birds like I got 25 years ago.

Again a great picture to look at what good true old fashion Real McCoy Rhode Island Reds look like. When you type in Bing.com Rhode Island Reds you don't see many pictures like this in their picture site of the breed you see 95 % cherry eggers so what a treat to see some high scoring true to breed dark flat back Reds.

 

[bruceh]

On the FF. You "can" ferment pelleted feed or crumbles but its rather messy and sticky. But... A lot of folks do it.
If you are balancing your own ration what you want to do is ferment your grains only... Then add your nutribalancer, fish meal, limestone, meat and bone meal... Whatever your ration calls for. (Yes, I balance livestock a rations for all sorts of livestock).
I keep a chart on the wall of my feed room. I feed by weight and simply weigh out the fermented grains I need each day by scooping them into a stainless strainer over a bucket. I add the "premix" stuff to it (by weight) and stir and feed.

yes sir. that is a good way. for me the mill mixes mine.

 

[Matt1616]

Oh my gosh Matt, I just found the ideal picture for you on a face book page. Just wondering, did you sell this bird? I can't believe I came across this just at the right time. ROFL. How many legs and toes does this girl have? I really thought you were kidding about what the GMO did. Oh my, it's time for me to go to bed. Good night all zzzzzzzzzzzz

Jimmy, that is good stuff right there....

 

[bruceh]

Above is one of my favorite pictures every posted on this thread. Look mostly at the neck feathers of the female that is got her head down on the far right. Look at the black in her neck feathers.
this is the correct ticking I preach about. The or she seem to also have even width of back not a taper to the oil gland area. These are the Bennett line which I think are the old Reese line maybe not the Mohawk line I pulled out of his old line but pure old fashion Real McCoy Rhode Island Reds. If you have a flock of eight or ten girls like this you have Rhode Island Reds. Have not heard a peep out of Mr. Bennett or any of his customers in years so don't know what is going on with his strain but he has nice birds.

Don't worry there are others on this tread who have got Reds that we see every day that are just as good and we are blessed to have them share their pictures and even offer to share eggs or chicks with beginners every spring and it seems to be a trend that the new folks are willing to do the same and share their birds to the next generation. This hobby of Raising R I Reds and sharing and helping each other is very similar to my working in the operating room and which OB GYN residents work with the younger students and teach them as they go along. They have a mentor Dr. who is say 50 years old teaching the young dr.s and then the senior residents are helping and teaching the one year and two year residents. In time we have graduation I get to go to the party and say good bye to the five year resident who goes out and starts their practice. Can you visualize what we have going here. We have folks I helped get stared two and three year ago and they are now helping you newbies or beginners and doing a bag up job and one day in three years you will be doing the same. My goal is that many of you will make it to the five year mark then the ten and for every go on. That's how we promote our hobby with educations and being good mentors and then we all add up as good sturets to the breed. Many read our posts who are not Red Breeders or even have a interest in Reds. But this works for al breeds and we have to hope we have a influence on them as well. We are all in this together as good stureits of Heritage. O my god I used that word but we are Standard Breed Fowl. Large Fowl chickens need a few interested serous Preservationist. We are only a small group of one in maybe 500 who will do this most folks do not care and are happy with the fowls they get from the feed store. I don't worry about them I am out there trying covert lurkers to what you are all doing. It has been working very well in my view for the past three years.

I will try your method of FF and there is something that may also be working and no one as thought of maybe they can absorb more protein this way than eating it right out of the bag. I often have been told by some super star chicken guys that if you have a 20% protein the bird can only absorb 15 and crap out the other 5 % . Human body builders can take on lots of protein to build muscle but can not absorb all the stuff they take in unless the take in a papaya pill enzyme to help them get the extra protein they get. That what I was told by a couple of world class guys 30 years ago. One guy told me he could build 5 pounds of muscle per year over 5 years with just a little extra protein and this pill as he said he could only gain five pounds of muscle per year the rest of the bulk witch was 40 or 50 pounds would be lost once he went on a low carb diet. He was ranked number three under Arnold S. back then and you know Arnold took some pills to help him get big and this guy did not. Just a spin on nutrition's and chickens for you to think about. In Reds before I show them I use Cod Liver Oil, Wheat germ and Red Cell on their feed for two months . Wheat grass sprouts given every day and the secret is Ten Sun flower seeds to get that oil into the feathers. It puts a shine on them naturally. All this on a two month pre show program. I don't show much but it works.


In regards to your Red bantams they are very nice ones. You have the correct ones for color good combs they are small and it would be nice to take a picture from the side for me to look at. I want to see the side profile or the top of the backs are they long oblong brick shape. Do they have flat backs like the picture of my male in my avatar? where did you get them from or who's line?

Don't worry about side tracking this tread on a issue we always revert back in time to the subject. This is a educational tread on how to get started with Rhode Island Reds and we have to hope we do a good job of helping you so you will keep them and enjoy them. We also enjoy to here from the folks with the hatchery birds and see pictures of their birds. How else can we compare what we have and quite possible converting you over to the real R I Reds if you choose to do so. I had a mentor named Ralph Sturgeon and he told me Bob Many are Called But Few are Chosen. If you are one of the Chosen Few who stick with this breed we are happy. Also, if you have not joined the Rhode Island Red Club please do so. Its us folks that will change and rebuild this clb over the next five years and help those who are working hard to do so. If you are not a member of your other breed club and a re a lurker you need to join your breed club of as they need your support and input as well.

Steve it was nice talking to you last night. I am feeling better and will be making some mash for the chickens in no time it will a interesting project and thanks for explaining it to me you did a perfect job and all will learn what this concept is about.. bob

robert,
give it a try on the fermenting. i think what you will find is. the nutrients will become more available in the feed. protein is the number. that number will not be available to the bird straight out of the bag. the fermenting process will allow a much higher amount of nutrients and protein to be available to the bird..

 

[bruceh]

will we are on the red thread lets talk about color balancing .. also if anyone at all needs help on fermenting shoot me a p.m. and i will help you.