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Boy did I start something! I would like to amend my definition of cream to yellowish brownish white, but itʻs still white. Just not silver. Know what I mean.
I love the pictures. So hereʻs some of mine:
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And the butter that normanck posted is OAC7. What do the rest of you see?
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With me being the way I am, I took a stick of Tillamook salted butter out with me this morning. To me, the butter is pale compared to margerine and other brands. Anyway, if you use that method, I now have birds that would be considered cream that I thought were light brown. If this sunny weather holds out, I will try to get pics of the hackle with the butter stick
Honestly, I think it will be near impossible to try to match OAC colors to the hackle colors on either sex of CL--there are simply not enough color choices on the pale end of any of the colors. There would have to be a similar multi-paged OAC chart just for 'whites'.
Personally, I don't really care what color cream is, I care if the color of the hen is a representation of ig/ig or not.
Here are two girls same lighting and photo technique:
Above is Clara. She is the pullet I am on the fence about whether she is ig/ig or not. She has a very pale buttery cream color on the hacks up higher that fades to more milk-cream at the base of the hacks. Over all I am very pleased with how she is maturing. I love the salmon saturation in her breast and she has what I think is an ideal sized crest. I will test breed her this spring to verify if she is ig/ig and settle the debate over whether ig/ig birds can appear to have a lemon tint to the hackles.
This is Beatrix. She has the most gold coloration of my pullets. She has some flaws (earlobe color, small size, beak color etc) and I am more concerned about those than her non-ig/ig status. I will test mate her this spring to she if she carries ig. SHe has some good points--I like her small comb and her tail is less pinched, great breast color and leg color.
I suspect my largest hurdle in general will be achieving the uniform enamel white ear lobes, something that not many are talking about. The genetics behind the color are not well understood. Other than breeding white to pink stippled white, does anyone have any tells in looking at the bird to help determine how the offspring inherit the ear lobe color... ie, is there a trait other than earlobes to look at to determine if the off-type ear lobe color the bird has will be more likely to be fixed in the offspring?
Personally, I don't really care what color cream is, I care if the color of the hen is a representation of ig/ig or not.
Here are two girls same lighting and photo technique:
Above is Clara. She is the pullet I am on the fence about whether she is ig/ig or not. She has a very pale buttery cream color on the hacks up higher that fades to more milk-cream at the base of the hacks. Over all I am very pleased with how she is maturing. I love the salmon saturation in her breast and she has what I think is an ideal sized crest. I will test breed her this spring to verify if she is ig/ig and settle the debate over whether ig/ig birds can appear to have a lemon tint to the hackles.
This is Beatrix. She has the most gold coloration of my pullets. She has some flaws (earlobe color, small size, beak color etc) and I am more concerned about those than her non-ig/ig status. I will test mate her this spring to she if she carries ig. SHe has some good points--I like her small comb and her tail is less pinched, great breast color and leg color.
I suspect my largest hurdle in general will be achieving the uniform enamel white ear lobes, something that not many are talking about. The genetics behind the color are not well understood. Other than breeding white to pink stippled white, does anyone have any tells in looking at the bird to help determine how the offspring inherit the ear lobe color... ie, is there a trait other than earlobes to look at to determine if the off-type ear lobe color the bird has will be more likely to be fixed in the offspring?
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My barn yard mixes have proved red lobes to be dominant to white lobes. I have both white and brown egg laying mixed breeds all of which have red lobes. but I do however believe that white lobes are linked to white eggs since the only Basque hen I have had will white lobes (culled) was also the only Basque hen I have seen that lays white eggs. 
To keep the white lobes you are going to have to match white to white. Some birds will get a little red on the lobes others will get a lot of red. The amount of red grow with age. My original cock bird had perfect white on the lobes at 12 months, but now is showing some red wrinkles. Another cock bird who is the same age is still holding all his white with out any traces of red. If I wanted to improve a hen that was showing red on her lobes I would use the cock bird that still have pure white lobes at 22 month rather than the one that shows red wrinkles being introduced.
Selecting breeder at 6 months won't allow you to see who is going to get red wrinkles as they mature. Some breeders only use hens over 2 years old for breeding stock since a lot of colors (feathers too) are still changing in younger stock.
I think ear lobe color is one of those things that you have to pair "like" to "like" or offset deficiencies to improve, but watching over time to she who hold the most white on the lobes over the life of the bird should help identify which have better prepotency. (Just had to use the word prepotency since it has seemed to be a buzz word the last few weeks).
To keep the white lobes you are going to have to match white to white. Some birds will get a little red on the lobes others will get a lot of red. The amount of red grow with age. My original cock bird had perfect white on the lobes at 12 months, but now is showing some red wrinkles. Another cock bird who is the same age is still holding all his white with out any traces of red. If I wanted to improve a hen that was showing red on her lobes I would use the cock bird that still have pure white lobes at 22 month rather than the one that shows red wrinkles being introduced.
Selecting breeder at 6 months won't allow you to see who is going to get red wrinkles as they mature. Some breeders only use hens over 2 years old for breeding stock since a lot of colors (feathers too) are still changing in younger stock.
I think ear lobe color is one of those things that you have to pair "like" to "like" or offset deficiencies to improve, but watching over time to she who hold the most white on the lobes over the life of the bird should help identify which have better prepotency. (Just had to use the word prepotency since it has seemed to be a buzz word the last few weeks).
I tried to get some pics of the cockerels today with no luck. They're in a large bachelor pen for the winter so I can never get too close. Just know, his breast is dark grey and all of his feathers are barred- my phone went for a swim in the washer and the camera hasn't been working right since. This guy was the only one that stood still. He is rose combed and one of my favorite cockerels out of the 4 I have. He does have a super small crest, his tail could be lower, but I like him.
Regarding the color match of the ears and eggs, it was explained that there is no linkage between the two and that it was more of a custom that folks bred to. There are lots of examples of lesser known breeds that do not fit the mold: Breeds that lay brown eggs and have white ear lobes=Penedesencas and Empordenesas and Lamonas laid and American Hollands, Polish and Crevecoeur have white egg and have red ears and I know there are more--these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.My barn yard mixes have proved red lobes to be dominant to white lobes. I have both white and brown egg laying mixed breeds all of which have red lobes. but I do however believe that white lobes are linked to white eggs since the only Basque hen I have had will white lobes (culled) was also the only Basque hen I have seen that lays white eggs.
I think ear lobe color is one of those things that you have to pair "like" to "like" or offset deficiencies to improve, but watching over time to she who hold the most white on the lobes over the life of the bird should help identify which have better prepotency. (Just had to use the word prepotency since it has seemed to be a buzz word the last few weeks).
Pre-potency, we'll have to figure out how to use that word in each post!
The reason I asked about the earlobe color is that it has been widely reported to be hard to stabilize and that it is a polygenic trait--governed by more than just one gene. Here are the sources I have been reading, does anyone have others to add?:
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbt...Main=3978&Words=earlobe&Search=true#Post27802 (in this first one, the thread starter was DHonour--and publications by DJHonour regarding ear color have been referenced in other sources but I have not stumbled across the originals yet)
http://www.the-coop.org/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=83884
http://www.aviculture-europe.nl/nummers/09E03A06.pdf
and the granddaddy from 1928 http://www.genetics.org/content/13/6/470.full.pdf
Thoughts, experiences welcomed!
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