The Legbar Thread!

[redchicken9]

Madamwlf, I think the inheritance issue for your bird'swhite is not as simple as the 25/50/25 percent model. In your head you know this works for a single gene that is responsible for a single trait. In this case it's more complicated, many genes have a complex interdependence on each other. Often several genes are responsible for the expression of one characteristic, or the expression of one character is linked with another. My thoughts are: It's not that the bird is white versus black. It is expressing a quality that is not allowing color. I don't know enough to put percentage to this. Maybe at a graduate student level there is someone with enough research to know. I suspect it's lower than 1:2:1 or at least different.

 

[redchicken9]

Kikiriki, likewise it's the egg color that first drew me in. The first time I saw the cream legbars was in a book with hand sketched poultry and eggs. The blue shown was a faded sky, it just made me want to build a nest! Anyone have eggs to post?

 

[madamwlf]

well, I went ahead and listed some eggs on RBA.com. I can't possibly hatch all these myself. I have 12 due in a week and 10 more just went in. They may not sound like a lot but I already have other eggs in there as well. I'll be up to my nose in chicks this summer.

 

[boykin2010]

 

[boykin2010]

Not a very good picture but it is all I have of a group of eggs. I will take some good photos of some eggs pretty soon compared to things so others can see what their color is. For me, my eggs are a light sky blue but I read certain strains of legbars can lay more a green-ish egg.

 

[GaryDean26]

This may end up being a stupid question, but is the Cream Legbar considered a crele?

my understanding is that "crele" is a barred wild type bird [e+/e+] + [B/+], so yes...I would call the Cream Legbar a crele colored bird. I have seen people post photos of birds that are single barred and lable them as Crele. I would think that you need a double barred bird to breeed true and that crele would be double barrings, but crele may by more correctly used for the single barred birds that I have seen posted. Does anyone have clarification the single/double barring as it partains to the Crele color?

I also have seen people that post imaged of barred Birchen based [Er/Er] + [B/+] that they call crele. I think that barred ER birds are more correctly called golden cuckoo, but am not really sure. Done anyone have clarification if an non-wild type bird (E, Er, eWh, eb, ey, etc) would be correctly called a crele?

 

[redchicken9]

Thank-you for the egg photos!

 

[QuackerJackFarms]

The "genetics talk" is a little over my head... but here's my question. I was at a swap a few weeks ago and there was a CL breeder there. His 2 roosters for sale were both really cream in color. You could still see the barring, but it was cream barring. Man, I wish I'd gotten a pic! I didn't get one because A. I was wanting a female, and B. I was afraid of the creamy-ness.


I'll be going to this swap again in a few weeks.. if these are there again, should I purchase one? Or is the creamy-white color something that is "bad"?


BTW- This is a reputable person. Take my word for that.

 

[GaryDean26]

Madamwlf, I think the inheritance issue for your bird's white is not as simple as the 25/50/25 percent model....

I hope that Madamwlf with check her sales records and get a full report back from everyone she has sent eggs to of how many white chicks have been hatched from her eggs and what the percentage has been. Not necessary, but it would be interesting to check the predictions with with the real data.

I personally think that for a single gene that is fully expressed like recessive white that a simple 25/50/25 should be good modle for probability.

I think the complex probabilities start when you start looking at the probablility of multiple genes being passed together. That is when you have to start to look at how far the genes are mapped away from each other on the chromosome to determine the probablilites of ending up in the same bird.

 

[cjwaldon]

QuakerJack, when and where is the next swap? I want to look at these roosters